Defense Rest Case After Testimony of Son
Thomas Peterson, 19, said he has "never seen anyone so sad" as his father after his mother, Drew Peterson's third wife, Kathleen Savio, was found drowned in her dry bathtub in March 2004.
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JOLIET, IL -- Updated 5:20 p.m.
Drew Peterson's lawyers rested their case after calling one of the accused wife-killer's sons to the stand.
Thomas Peterson, 19, said he has "never seen anyone so sad" as his father after his mother, Drew Peterson's third wife, Kathleen Savio, was found drowned in her dry bathtub in March 2004.
Thomas Peterson, a freshman at the University of Pennsylvania, also said his father was "very shaken up about" Savio's death.
Thomas Peterson said he "never suspected" his father killed his mother.
He also recalled bathing with his mother when he was 6 years old. He said Savio enjoyed hot baths. Sometimes she put her hair up when they bathed together, Thomas Peterson said, and sometimes she left it down.
JOLIET, IL -- Updated 3:20 p.m.
Wheaton attorney Harry Smith testified that Drew Peterson's fourth wife Stacy Peterson told him Peterson killed his third wife Kathleen Savio.
"Could we get more money out of Drew if we threatened to tell how he killed Kathleen," Smith said Stacy told him after she called to hire him to represent her when she divorced Peterson.
Defense attorney Joel Brodsky repeated the damning testimony while attempting to question Smith as a hostile witness.
Smith said Stacy told him "Drew was pissed at her because he thought she told (his son) Tom he killed Kathleen. ... The information I had was Tom knew and Drew wasn't happy about it," Smith said.
Thomas Peterson is scheduled to take the witness stand later today.
He also said Stacy told him "She had too much s--- on Drew at the police department for him to do anything to her."
Brodsky and defense attorney Steve Greenberg accused Smith of lying. Greenberg called for Smith to be charged with perjury.
Brodsky claimed Stacy was lying to Smith and planning to extort Peterson with the "falsehood" of killing his wife.
Brodsky asked Smith if he warned Stacy to "be careful" that she not be charged with extortion. Smith said no, he thought Stacy was at risk of being charged with concealing a homicide."
Updated 2 p.m.
In the middle of Joel Brodsky's daily session of boasting outside the courthouse, a former friend of Drew Peterson appeared and frightened him away.
"I'm the informant who spent seven months with Drew Peterson," Paula Stark said as Brodsky and defense attorney Joseph "Shark" Lopez retreated from a bank of microphones.
Stark and her husband, Len Wawczak, say they wore wires for the Illinois State Police to record testimony. Stark said the recordings will be used as evidence if Peterson is charged in connection with the disappearance of his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson.
"I learned that Drew's a murderer," Stark said of her time with Peterson.
She also said he was cruel to his children.
"Every time they brought up their mother, he told them to shut up and go to their rooms," Stark said.
Stark also said Stacy's young son, Anthony, secretly kept a hidden picture of his mother in his room.
Stark and Wawczak were left to watch Peterson's children when he took trips out of town to appear on talk shows.
Stark said Peterson and Kathleen Savio's elder son, Thomas Peterson, deep down believes that his father killed his mother.
Thomas Peterson is scheduled to testify in his father's defense this afternoon.
Stark also said Peterson once called Thomas a "faggot" after Thomas complained about his father's cooking.
Stark also told of a letter to Santa Claus Peterson's younger son, Kristopher Peterson wrote when he was about 10.
In the letter, Kristopher asked Santa to stop his father from beating his mother and to give his mother the divorce she wanted.
"If Tom says anything positive about his father, it's all lies," Stark said.
Updated 12:45 p.m.
Prosecutors failed to turn over Illinois State Police reports of a spring interrogation of Drew Peterson's son thomas Peterson.
"It's a clear discovery violation, once again, by the state," said Judge Edward Burmila.
The interview was conducted at the University of Pennsylvania, where Thomas Peterson is a student.
Defense attorney Joel Brodsky asked Burmila to forbid prosecutors from using information from the report when they question Thomas Peterson. Brodsky failed to convince the judge.
The report was turned over to Drew Peterson's lawyers this morning. Burmila has called for the two state police investigators to appear in court by 5 p.m.
Updated 11:12 a.m.
Retired Illinois State Police Sgt. Patrick Collins was called back to the witness stand to once again explain his investigation of Savio's death.
Defense attorney Steve Greenberg questioned Collins and got him to admit he never actually made it all the way around Savio's house when he was checking the outside of the home.
Collins also said he was looking only for "obvious" signs of a crime that were out in plain sight.
Collins went on to explain that he did not go to great lengths to ferret out clues. He would not, for example, do anything as strenuous as check under a bed.
Updated 9:36 a.m.
Judge Edward Burmila cleared the way for Wheaton attorney Harry Smith to testify, but it remains unclear whether Drew Peterson's attorneys will call him.
Smith represented Kathleen Savio in her divorce from Peterson. He also said Peterson's next wife, Stacy Peterson, visited him four days before she mysteriously vanished in October 2007. Stacy asked him to represent him in her own divorce from Peterson, Smith said, and she asked if they could get more money out of Peterson if they threatened him with revealing that he killed Savio.
Peterson and Savio's elder son Thomas Peterson is also in the courthouse and ready to testify for the defense.
Original story
Drew Peterson's son is expected to take the stand Wednesday.
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Pro Life Crusader +
1:36 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
B.S. about the wire. If there was in fact a wire implicating Drew in the death of Kathy and the disappearance of Stacy , the tape would be used as evidence at Drews trial and Drew would have been indicted in the disappearance of Stacy . Len Wawczak is also a scum bag.
Ted Waller
2:00 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
How would you know what the state is doing when it concerns the sudden disappearance of stacy peterson. I remember reading articles that said Ms Stark performed court ordered recordings on drew peterson. I believe these recordings were confirmed by a will county judge a few years back. good to know that you are such the authority on things. i bet these two people could care less what you think of them.
Pro Life Crusader +
2:06 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
For one thing Ted the State Police or the SA would not want Lenny W or his wife to speak to anyone about the wire. Also if the wire had anything to implicate Drew in Stacy's disappearance or possible death, he would have already been indicted and Drew would be on trial for both Kathy and Stacy at the same time.
Ted Waller
2:54 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
i dont believe that ms stark said anything today about whats on them recordings, i think she just mentioned them being done. i am sure that no judge would allow someone to be recorded for 7 months if nothing at all was being gotten by doing them and i am sure that drew never told them where the actual body of stacy was a..t look how long it took the state to arrest him on kathys death, an arrest for stacy is more than likely coming in the near future and i say play them tapes
Thomas Williams
6:39 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I hate to tell you it's true Len Wawczak and Drew had a public altercation over it.
Vicky
8:02 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
WOW you act like you know them!
walt scherff
1:49 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
"In the middle of Joel Brodsky's daily session of boasting outside the courthouse, a former friend of Drew Peterson appeared and frightened him away."
That's one of the sorriest openings to a news article taht I have ever read --for some reason I thought you were supposed to be a news reporter -- not a blogger or op-ed writer -- stick to the facts when writing news articles -- keep your opinions for your 'books'
joliet resident
3:56 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I see nothing wrong with that article. In fact I found it very interesting that Brodsky got his bluff called. It's ok to say terrible things about Savio but don't mess with Drew. Are you aware most people know he did it. You just don't lose 50% of your wives and have the other half want nothing to do with you. Besides, you can't even spell so lay off the Patch or better yet quit reading and making your comments if you just want to throw dirt at people.
Pro Life Crusader +
4:16 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Joliet Resident who??
John Tips
2:46 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I too wish that reporters today would do their jobs by reporting ONLY the facts as well! All to many today report their own interpretation of what they think or worse yet what they were "told" the facts might be! Many have learned to glorify the facts to make a story! Yet public apologies for misrepresentations are rare or unheard of! SHAME!
pekeja2010
5:20 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Volpe, if you had followed this sick story from the beginning you would of already known about this couple. Yes, she did indeed wear a wire. The only reason is it not coming out in Kathleen's trial is because it has nothing to do with Kathleen's death, unfortunately. But, if and when they ever find the Stacy's remains, and yes I said REMAINS! Then and only then would this witness come in to Stacey"s trial. I am sure she would end up being the States star witness and the one that could definately put that creep Peterson away for a very long time!!!!!!!!!!
Pro Life Crusader +
5:45 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
If this so called wire has the slightest conversation that Drew possibly killed Stacy, Drew would have been indicted and had a trial and the wire would have been the evidence w/o a body.
anita straus
5:21 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
i believe that Drew Peterson is a murderer and a horrid bulley. I only pray that this jury does the right thing..His lawyers are the worst scumbags and a disgrace to the legal profession. Lawyers are obligated to represent people accused of crimes but in this case these lawyers have made any law-abiding citizen wonder how they can be allowed to practice law. A very concerned citizen.
Pro Life Crusader +
5:34 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I see at this time a reasonable doubt.
charles
5:44 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I think today showed the jury what little regard DP has for anyone other than himself. What kind of parent would allow an attorney to put their own child on the witness stand to testify on your behalf? DP didn't even have the balls to take the stand himself, but he'll let his 19 year old son speak for him! Shame on The Brodsky Circus for letting Thomas take the stand. I know he's 19 and he's a very bright young man, but talk about pressure; how is poor Thomas going to feel when the jury finds his father guilty? Will someone be there to help him understand that it wasn't because of his testimony, but rather his father's own stupidity? DP had no regard for any of his wives' emotional or physical well being and now he's showing that he really doesn't care about the emotional impact his arrogance might have on his son. It was a BS move by the defense team; if KS had an accident and DP had nothing to do with it, did you really have to put Thomas on the stand to testify? I pray that Thomas continues to thrive in the face of adversity like he has done so far. He deserves better.
Pro Life Crusader +
5:55 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I would guarantee that Tommy opted to take the witness stand by his own choice.
charles
6:04 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
And someone needed to tell him no thanks. I'm sure he just wants to help, but he's young and has to live a long life with the outcome. He probably offered to get up there, but it comes off looking like a pathetic plea for a not guilty vote. If DP wouldn't defend himself, why is it ok for his kid to try to defend him. 19 or not, he needed an adult to be an adult and tell him no.
Thomas Williams
7:33 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Tommy is in completely controlled by Drew. As is Stephan
Pro Life Crusader +
6:46 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
What kind of attorney is Harry Smith?
Wheaton attorney Harry Smith testified that Drew Peterson's fourth wife Stacy Peterson told him Peterson killed his third wife Kathleen Savio.
"Could we get more money out of Drew if we threatened to tell how he killed Kathleen," Smith said Stacy told him after she called to hire him to represent her when she divorced Peterson.
Harry Smith should have taken Stacy to the Police and had her tell them them about Drew then. Instead he doesn't do a dam thing and Stacy disappears. What a great attorney! Not!
Watchful Eye
6:58 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Yeah, Volpe, she disappeared 2 days later. And you just confirmed what we all know--that is, Drew helped her disappear. Because if you did not believe that, you wouldn't be spewing at charles by saying "Harry Smith should have taken Stacy to the Police.... and Stacy disappears."
Blame EVERYONE else but the murder defendant. Sorry, John, but being Drew's co-worker doesn't mean jack squat here, and you can wear your blinders all you want. No one cares what you think about him. You give other cops a bad name by acting like you think it's okay to shield a monster like this.
He's nothing but a lame coward who beats women. You're here most every day trying to defend a low-life, yellow a**h**e that beat his wives. Tell us, why doesn't his son, the REAL man, want anything to do with his father, huh? The one man that takes pride in taking the high road. I wish the day will come when a real man gets in Drew's face. That's all I can say.
As to the couple that wore the wires, quit spewing your know-it-all baloney. You don't know anything. That's the problem. You're in the dark, but clawing and chomping at the bit to act like you are some big cheese. Just because you worked with Peterson doesn't make you the expert. Get over yourself.
Brodsky said Drew would NEVER be arrested and charged for any crime. Look where he is now. Three years and counting.
Pfft.
Pro Life Crusader +
7:20 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Watchful eye I'm not shielding Drew. Never said he was innocent or guilty. I just give my opinions about the trial , which is my right. I'm an expert compared to you in L.E., care to match wits?
Pro Life Crusader +
7:25 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
If Drew is convicted and sent to prison , the only worry he has is that he is an ex-cop and the other prisoners can care less if he's in prison for murder.
joliet resident
11:35 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Gee, maybe he was keeping a confidence of his client. He did go to the state police as soon as Stacy went missing. I would imagine with the info he had on Drew he knew right away Stacy was no longer with us.
sylva
6:58 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Oh please, the kid is only 19 now. Just how many "sad" people has he seen in his young life to compare??? And it's his son! What would you expect him to say?? The defense resting already says it all...
Watchful Eye
7:19 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I think it's a shame that the old buzzard used his teen son to stand up for him in court. Tom's testimony that he was concerned about how upset his father was that night he told them their mother was dead was just so unbelievable. He was just told his mother died, and he was concerned at how upset his father was? I don't think so. I don't think Tom came across well at all, but I don't fault him for trying to protect his father.
Watchful Eye
7:25 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
No, John, I'm not about to play your silly baiting game. Go away. Go bait yourself or bait some other cop that thinks a woman beater is worth their time. Okay? Stop it with the stupid "care to challenge me" crap.
Pro Life Crusader +
7:27 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Chicken!
Pro Life Crusader +
7:22 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
So you are calling the son a liar??!
Watchful Eye
7:25 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
No, are you saying I am? You don't know what you're talking about. Quit it. Go away.
joliet resident
5:51 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Well Volpe, they say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree so go figure
Thomas Williams
11:16 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
yup he will do and say what ever Drew tells him to.
Watchful Eye
7:26 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
By the way, John, young Tom WAS impeached today. That is indisputable. But, don't start with me about what I'm calling him. Get out of here.
Pro Life Crusader +
7:38 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Wow, because Tommy couldn't recall what he told the grand jury in 2008.
Ken
8:57 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Volpe
If Tom couldn't recall what he said 4 years ago, why would anyone believe him about what happened 8 years ago when he was only about 10 years old.
All that Tom remembers is what he has been brainwashed by his father to believe.
Pro Life Crusader +
7:28 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I'm never going away.
Watchful Eye
7:51 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Well, then, knock yourself out. Wait here until some sympathizer comes along and agrees with you. You get your big beer muscles when that happens. If you can defend a man who terrorizes and beats women and fight for him, that's your business, I guess. Guess you're as big a man as he is.
Pro Life Crusader +
8:24 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Watchful eye show me one comment where I condone or defend Drew who allegedly beats any of his wives. I just leave my opinion about the trial and facts/evidence. If I recall just because domestic reports are filed and no one is ever arrested let alone convicted , it's as if a crime never occurred. Am I not correct? I sure am. if Drew was ever arrested on a Domestic battery and convicted, my views would be completely different. Now isn't that my right to feel that way? It sure is and no one can tell me other wise.
Thomas Williams
7:43 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Watchful Eye I will take years of deprogramming before these kids will ever have a normal life. Drew is a cult of his own and the kids are his followers.
Watchful Eye
7:47 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Thomas Williams - Maybe the influence of Eric will take over some day. He seems to have broken away from the ties of Peterson, yet maintains a relationship with his siblings now that the old buzzard has been locked away for a while. Wishing those children nothing but good, for all the pain they've endured.
Watchful Eye
7:45 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
John M, you sure do seem to have an ego thing going. Just like Drew. You challenge me repeatedly on a "police" knowledge level. What is with you? Are you feeling a little worthless now that you're not on the job anymore? Get over it. Make good of your civilian life, instead of acting like a tough guy. Geesh.
Pro Life Crusader +
8:28 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Watchful eye it isn't any ego thing. You come out with your convoluted comments like I have no clue about L.E. or procedure or how the law works. That's the point I'm trying to make to you.
Watchful Eye
9:02 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Volpe, no it isn't. You're trying to shove your police experience down everyone's throat. We get it already. You are an ex-cop that worked with Drew. You come here day in and day out and post every possible negative piece you read or hear, but wear your blinders for the incriminating facts. That's okay, you have your right to an opinion. You just are so mean and crabby and full of yourself when you do it.
I don't care what you think Peterson did or didn't do. He beats the crap out of women, and that is indisputable. He is not a man in my book. You want him, you can have him.
So blah, de blah blah blah.
REAL Vet
5:07 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Glad some of you are not on MY jury for anything. I do not care if you think the man is a bully or woman beater. Where's proof? It also does not make a murderer, even if he was. Not that I support that, but... Smith should never have covered anything up. Think of the question " Do you think we could get more money IF." that could be construed as a statement or a theoretical question, no? Extortion in a divorce. Now, I have no connection with DP. The whole story is questionable for sure. BUT, he is either brilliant, or innocent and a victim of circumstance.
But a man should not be convicted on speculation, or emotion no matter how bad a dirtbag you think he is. If he has never been convicted of assault on these women, if there is any assumption it would be that he had a bad temper and made threats at most. But I still see no proof of murder yet. He may not be a man in your book and if he truly is what you say, would not be one in mine. I see no proof yet. And I have seen ex-wives and gf's use this abuse thing to their advantage more times than I can think. I want to see police reports and arrestes before I make a decision on that. And even then, it still does not prove murder. If we hung every man in this country based on the loose lawsfor abuse ( which can be anything from a name calling to a fist ) we would have to lock up 80% of all men in the nation.
But murder HAS to be proven. If these tapes come out and show that he admitted to it, I would accept that.
quilty
7:03 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
First of all you can Google and find REAL documents where Kathleen went to the hospital from a domestic incident between she and her husband, you can also find the Order of Protection that she at one point had taken out against him. I dont see why it's so hard for people to understand that had that order remained in effect he more than likely would have lost his job, causing her and her sons to have ZERO income as well as Drew, which in turn would have just made him even more angry and caused her more grief!! Secondly, if you Google, you'll also find the letter written to the Assistant Sates Attorney Elizabeth Fragale dated November 14, 2002- by Kathleen stating that "he knows how to manipulate the system and his next step is to take away my children OR KILL ME INSTEAD." How many people do you know of that have seen their death coming & put it into writing SIXTEEN months before, which ironically was just weeks before dividing the marital assets?
You know, it took Nicole Brown Simpsons death for the country to take DOMESTIC VIOLENCE a little more serious and start making a few more arrests, I wonder though how many more WOMEN & MEN (did you see that?) I'm intelligent enough to know that even MEN can be victims of Domestic Abuse must die before its taken even more seriously and the signs that were visible in Kathleens situation taken more seriously! Human beings ARE NOT PUNCHING BAGS!
quilty
7:08 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
And another thing, the day he, Stacy and the kids were in HER DRIVEWAY, and he threw her to the ground, pinned her down & he arrested her, in front of her kids? REALLY? Where I live, he and Stacy would have been the ones arrested, because THEY were on HER PROPERTY! So tell me his BOYS in BLUE, BLACK what the hell ever color they wear in Bollingbrook werent protecting their good buddy Sgt. Peterson!" Either no one should have been arrested or he and Stacy should have! Plain and simple!
Vicky
8:10 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
You are in serious denial!
charles
8:12 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Plenty of circumstantial evidence which can be used to convict him. Clearly a grand jury thought there was enough to bring the charges against him.
Vicky
8:09 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Um people i think you are misreading the story. They didn't say that with the wire tap they discovered he was a murderer. What they were saying was that after they realized he was a murderer (Kathleen Savio) they wore the tap. In all honesty i think they should charge his son with purjury. It is obvious he was coached by the defense to make his dad look like some kind of nice guy that we all know he is not! Can't wait for him to go down!
Thomas Williams
8:21 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
If it looks like a skunk smells like a skunk and acts like a skunk.
Pro Life Crusader +
9:18 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Let's hear more about Christopher Vaughn. The guy is a mass murderer, he killed his entire family.
joliet resident
11:41 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Hey Volpe, ever hear from your friend Franny. We sure miss him.
Pro Life Crusader +
1:07 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Joliet resident how about your friend tranny?
Bolingbrook Resident
1:15 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
There sure seems to be a lot of PWT from Bolingbrook on the news. What a crappy town.
Watchful Eye
2:19 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Nice to see some intelligent, well thought out comments, for a change. There IS plenty of circumstantial evidence.
Furthermore, for some to come here and say they KNOW Peterson is guilty, but there isn't enough evidence to convict him certainly don't belong on a jury. Because if you KNOW someone took the life of another human being, you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that that person is guilty. To hide behind the crap that there's no physical evidence, although convinced by the circumstantial evidence, is being a coward. Don't worry about Drew Peterson's rights. He's got a big, egotistical team to represent him plenty, pro bono. He's had his motions heard in the trial court, Appellate court and Illinois Supreme court. No one is screwing him. Nope, but he sure did take care of erasing his ex-wife, whose death conveniently left him a happy, free man for at least a few years. Until he lost control yet again.
The man is not human. He's someone that, fortunately, does not come along very often. Thank goodness for that. He's nothing but a weasel that prays on women, and abuses them when it suits him. He's disgusting.
joliet resident
2:26 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Well said Watchful Eye. It would be a terrible thing if Drew was released back into the world. I think he will always be a very dangerous person to be around.
Pro Life Crusader +
3:00 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Intersesting comments from ex-Judge White and criminal defense attorney Lisa Damico on In Session. They said if Dr.Badin was a strong rebuttal witness for the Prosecution ,why wasn't he put on the stand in the very beginning of the trial as one of their main witnesses.? They found that somewhat unusual. Also on In Session defense attorney doesn't believe the State proved their case. Just saying.
Thomas Williams
1:09 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
So he could be a rebuttal witness IF they needed him. figures you'er a friend of Drew's
Francis' Best Friend
3:39 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
They said they wanted to rest their case, because an internet commentor named Volpe d'argento said he knows Drew is innocent. They also saw that he used to work with Peterson and realize that he must be right because of that and that he watches "In Session". Glad that's over with.
brian evans
8:07 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
If you were suspended, what are you doing here? Is that why you change your name so often? Someone knows how to pull your chain and it hilarious to watch.
Pro Life Crusader +
8:33 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Brian ESS!
REAL Vet
5:33 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Well, like I said...where is the proof. So far circumstantial evidence that has been presented is a bit loose for a murder conviction. It may pass Civil trial but not a murder charge. Secondly, Google is not always the most reliable soruce of ecidence. But even if he did beat his past wives and girlfriends, which is deplorable, it still does not show he murdered anyone. Though the probability may be higher that he DID, you cannot try a person on emotion or feelings. I also do not dispute that some people know how to get around the system, it happens every day. But the case in my opinion, was a bad presentation by the SA all around. If people were convicted merely by emotion and feeling in this country, we would be straight back the the days of Salem where mob action and feelings rule the day. Take a look at Pakistan and Afghanistan where epople are still being executed for 'blasphemy' and 'sorcery'. Is this what you want for America? The guy MAY be a scumbag, it does not show he murdered anyone via facts. Just speculative evidence. The SA is hoping the jury is backward enough to make a judgement based on emotion. Its how lawyers win cases. I just dislike ANYONE being tried by the media and public emotion as it were and not by evidence.
charles
8:02 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Sticking just to the evidence presented in the Patch articles following the trial, if I were on the jury I feel it is more likely than not DP killed KS. Even "loose" circumstantial evidence is evidence. The jury is regualr people, not ex-LE and legal beagle wannabes.
quilty
8:20 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
RV, in my opinion the PROOF begins with the Blue Towel. As soon as Mr. Pontarelli questioned there not being any towels or clothes in the bathroom, suddenly one shows up between the 2 sets of photo's from the scene taken by 2 different officers & to which everyone there that night EXCEPT for DREW testified they didnt place there. Drew was the ONLY person that Mr. Pontarelli had made the statement to concerning the missing towel... THAT sir, IS key evidence! I honestly dont see how this jury could possibly come back with anything BUT a GUILTY VERDICT, I'll agree put any emotion aside but use common sense and use the evidence from the bruises left on Kathleens body as well as the testimony from a few key witnesses and not only is there plenty of financial motive, but there is also a confession to something that he boastfully bragged about and made plenty of threats to plenty of people (not just Kathleen) that he was capable of doing. I have to admit though, even though my intuition told me almost 5 years ago what Eric more than likely would have testified to in court, I was disappointed that he didnt get to. He seems to be the only one of Drews kids to break free and be his OWN MAN & distance himself from all of the abuse & sadness his father has caused, and like Watchful Eye said in a comment hopefully the others will be able to do the same!
quilty
8:31 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
The statement that was said to many, many people "I can kill you and make it look like an accident" or "I can kill someone and make it look like an accident" carries A LOT OF WEIGHT!! WHO in their right mind says that sort of thing? How many times have you said that phrase sir, I certainly never have, I'm not 100% sure I could kill someone even in self defense. I guess you have to get to a certain state of mind, I dont know. My father was a special deputy, yes he taught me how to use a gun, but he also explained that there's a very thin line between right & wrong, and between life & death, to always choose life & always choose what was right. He also told me though that the "uniform" played tricks with a man's mind & ego IF they allow it. Do I hate Drew? No, having hatred in your heart only makes YOU a bitter person, do I want justice for Kathleen, her family and her sons, YES!
REAL Vet
6:10 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I am with you, we all want justice for this woman...if she were murdered. Its horrivble that a woman should need to be at a hospotal beat up like that, no defense against that at all. As far as statements go, someone who is a power monger says things like that. No doubt this man has shown himself to be an arrogant, and shrewd individual. If he is founf guilty on the set of facts, more power to the people. I was a uniformed soldier, I was overseas and armed. I am still armed. And believe wholeheartedly that I need to control my temper 10x what I would NOT being armed, because the consequences are permanent. I have seen good soldiers and good cops go off the deep end, no doubt. My point is, the way I see it...the SA dropped the ball. I think they could have gathered more evidence if it were there, but it seems they really stretched trying to create evidence out of things as well. And I have seen peoples lives ruined by concocted evidence, perhaps this is why i am a stickler. Now, if everything you say is true, it will certainly show a character quite capable of an act like this. Its a very fine line indeed on how to really judge someone like this. My own opinion? It may have only been some time before he really did murder someone, and possibly this woman as well. But I wish the full facts were presented and not just the highlights that support sensationalism.
Watchful Eye
9:55 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
guilty@8:31--That is an interesting comment about you not "hating" Drew. Interesting for me anyway, because I remember the testimony of Eric Peterson at the hearsay hearing, who was asked if he loved his father. His answer was: "I don't love him or hate him,"... It's separate of emotion. It's indifference."
This also recounted in the media from the hearsay hearing:
" A son from Drew Peterson's first marriage testified against his own father today. Eric Peterson described witnessing a 1993 incident in which his father dragged his third wife, Kathleen Savio, into the house, according to reports from the courthouse.... She was screaming for help," Eric Peterson, said according to The Associated Press. Peterson also said Savio had been drunk at the time. "He was pulling her down the stairs."
Yet this murder defendant had the audacity to flap his pie hole on Larry King about how he never gets mad, and how he could have lost his job if he did commit an act of domestic abuse. What a crock that was! His own son witnesses his acts of abuse, and KS documented abuse in hospital ER records!
This murder defendant can and should be convicted of the crime he has been charged with. Why do some say they know he's guilty, but the State didn't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt? How can you be sure he's guilty, but say the State didn't prove its case? That defies logic. That's just DP defense-team garbage talk.
quilty
11:29 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Watchful, I think maybe because I dont live locally I may be a little less "emotionally connected" with the case & thats why I feel like I could fairly make the statement that I didnt hate him, doesnt mean I want him to be a free man!! I do NOT condone Domestic Violence or taking the life of another by any means & I should tell you that I have been aware of a lot of the circumstances surrounding the case since October 29, 2007 with the exception of anything having to do with the grand jury or hearsay proceedings. I do know however from being the victim of sexual abuse, that having hatred in your heart only makes you a bitter person and it also gives that person more power and control, and Drew will never control me, my feelings or my mind!! I also have a tremendous amount of faith in GOD. I saw most of his tv interviews, degrading in every way possible the women he had once proclaimed to love, honor & cherish. Only made me more curious about his childhood & the family dynamics that were going on then! Have a wonderful day & a very nice weekend!!
Watchful Eye
10:15 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Now that the judgment day is almost here, and not having any idea what this jury will decide, there is no dispute, IMO, that Drew Peterson is nothing but a lowlife coward, who uses and abuses women. That has been proven over and over. Any woman that would lower herself to the point of having a physical, or otherwise, relationship with that pig certainly has lost her way in the world. One would think a woman like that has no self-esteem or self-worth. Why else would one take up with that subhuman? In fact, that is the type of woman he seeks. What does he have to offer? When he's finished with the relationship, his partners disappear. Usually, two people in a marriage that ends get a divorce and go on their way. In his case, he erases his partners forever.
Some of the witnesses in this trial were demeaned by the defense for not doing enough to save Kathleen if they were so concerned. How does one force LE to listen to them complain of a relationship that is not theirs? In the case of his penchant for 23 year old women, how does a father or mother stop it, short of dragging their child away from him? What legal ground do they have to do that?
I hope the people that think that DP killed Kathleen but don't think the case is solid, at the very least, admit he is not worthy of having a relationship with any woman. Because, if you picture the horrific death Kathleen endured at his hands, he is the monster that he's been accused of being, without dispute.
REAL Vet
5:57 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Watchful: Just about every post, you keep with the name calling. My guess is...you wouldn't have the guts to say that to his face, my face, or probably any mans' face. You are entitled to an opinion, but you come across as an angry little man, you know that? And WHO cares about his penchant for younger women? Almost every man who still buzzes inside has that 'penchant'! Doesn't make them all murderers. So they guy has some history of abuse...sure its deplorable. I just want to see more solid evidence is all.
The constant use of Coward, subhuman, ad nauseum...maybe its YOU who could use some counseling alongside DP for Anger Management.
Try posting more facts and not drama, maybe some people will actually listen to what you say.
Francis M. Regan
11:17 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
I was watching In Session this morning and they showed a photo of Drew on his motor cycle , he looked hot! I wish we were on his ride now , just the two of us cruising along route Route 83 like we did years ago. It wont be long before we have the wind blowing in our face and free too do what we want , when we want.
Thomas Williams
1:29 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012
Only that was Staci's bike before he disappeared her. Maybe he will take you where he took he.
joliet resident
12:48 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Volpe, that was a disgusting comment to make. BTW, how do you know he is a "fake" Francis????
REAL Vet
5:48 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Well Quilty, there are some strange things in some of the stories. I easily concede that. As far as circumstantials go, there are some. And as I said, people who are abusive have a higher probability by far to commit these types of crimes. What gets me is those who somehow 'know' this man is guilty. How many jurors over the years have sent people to prison or death row, because the circumstantial evidence, only to find decades later through DNA or simialr that they were not guilty? That is the danger of it. Personally, until I see all the facts I cannot make that decision, unlike others who think the media is Gods truth when it comes to stories. I knew cops like DP who made simialr threats to their spouses, nothing ever came of it. I also know others with a track record of violent history you do not want to find out if they mean it.
But towels are not proof, neither is a fight between him and his Ex. It may seem fishy, but does it SHOW that this man killed her? I would have to have more proof than that to convict for murder.
Pro Life Crusader +
7:02 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Real vet. I agree with you and who are the others here to hate D.P. Here's an old saying for the haters.
If you love me ...that's great
If you hate me...even better
Don't know me...don't judge me.
Pro Life Crusader +
6:56 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Did anyone see Drew put the towel there? With all the people in the house and bathroom, no one seen who put the towel there?
I also believe I read in one of the trial stories that Mrs. Pontarelli wanted to cover up K.S. naked body and Drew supposedly told her that she shouldn't as she would disturb the scene/evidence. So is it possible after the initial shock of finding K.S. in the bathtub and Mrs. Pontarelli wanting to cover the body she got the towel and put it down on the tub after Drew told her not to cover the body. Shock does funny things to the mind, doesn't it?
Pro Life Crusader +
7:17 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Anyone watch In Session. A few of the commentators are so dam hammy and mellow dramatic . They said Drew Peterson's case is the trial of the year! How stupid!
REAL Vet
12:25 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
That is what I was talking about...circumstantial at best some of the 'facts' I have seen presented. The media is not going to cover all of them, just the ones that get the story some attention. Unless one can see every detail come out, there is simply no way to tell for sure what happened. But armchair jurists and lawyers sit and post their opinion as if it were fact. Dangerous precedent. I also chuckle at the knucklehead who sits and uses the term coward every 3rd sentence, but aits safely behind a PC calling a jailed man names when he isn't there to defend himself.
Like I said, I have no real clue about the guys past, except what I have read here and there. And maybe he did bully women around, or maybe he picked women who liked to pick a fight. Either way, it has nothing to do with murder, at least not from what I have seen yet. Its a bit different than other cases like Dahmer, Gacey, this clown in Colorado where the proof is sitting right in front of you, indisputable proof.
Anyone know for sure? Some things about this case are fishy, but I have lived long enough to know that truth really is stranger than fiction. All I can say is, to convict on emotion or media trained opinion is not an intelligent thing to do. And so far, if this guy IS guilty, the prosecutors seem to have dropped the ball proving it.
Pro Life Crusader +
9:45 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Watch out Real vet , watchful eye will jump all over your comment!
Watchful Eye
10:35 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
@Volpe - STFU. Leave me out of your comments. If REAL Vet is referring to me about calling Peterson a coward, whatever. I didn't see him mentioning me particularly by nic, so why do you feel it's your call to do it?
Go crawl away you a**ho**. You make me sick, and you are a poor excuse of what a police office represents, along with your disgusting coward of a murder defendant.
Pro Life Crusader +
10:45 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Like real vet said watchful eye , he called you a knucklehead who sits at a PC. What I love the most watchful eye , is you call me names and you wouldn't have the b--ls to do it face to face, like I could. Also watchful eye who is calling the kettle black, I leave a comment to someone one else and you stick your p--sy two cents in and attack me. Love to call you out one day. Waaa!
Pro Life Crusader +
10:47 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Like I said watchful eye !!!
If you love me ...that's great
If you hate me...even better
Don't know me...don't judge me.
Bye bye LGB!!
Pro Life Crusader +
11:07 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Interesting watchful eye!!!!
Real vet wrote:
5:57 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Watchful: Just about every post, you keep with the name calling. My guess is...you wouldn't have the guts to say that to his face, my face, or probably any mans' face. You are entitled to an opinion, but you come across as an angry little man, you know that?
Watchful Eye
3:03 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Well, REAL and John, I do keep calling Peterson names. A coward who beats women as a hobby deserves it.
I think it's quite funny that when Jeff Ruby mouthed an obscenity to him during a court recess recently, Ruby was told it rattled the skunk for the rest of the day. Is that what happens to him when someone gets in HIS FACE?
I don't need to answer to you, REAL, about who I have the guts to say anything to. I neither provoked you, nor engaged in convo with you, so what's up with you, anyway? Are you Volpe's new fantasy bodyguard? LOL. He seems to need them a lot over here. Doesn't take much to rattle his cage either, before he's looking to sound like a manly man, all puffed up and cocky. Do you "men" have to bait and provoke others to feel brawny? That's how Peterson did it, only he punched around women instead of a REAL man.
Carry on.
joliet resident
3:36 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Watchful eye you are right...Drew Peterson is a coward. What else do you call a man who killed a woman before she could take what was rightfully her money. You see if Kathleen put the pressure on Drewpy's cash why would Stacy want to be with him. (his mind not hers) And then Stacy is still going to ruin everything and tell on Drew so once again the coward has to kill. A real man would have lived with his life choices and let the mothers of his children live. He is a despicable coward.
Pro Life Crusader +
3:09 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Watchful eye are you the real man? Not! By the way Jeff Ruby is p---y from Ohio!
Pro Life Crusader +
4:35 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Stacy then lives with Drew for three years knowing he possibly killed Kathy. Great women. She was in on it then?
Watchful Eye
8:40 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Volpe, well, she paid the ultimate price for living with him for those years, didn't she? The lowlife, yellow-bellied coward that he is couldn't walk away, once again, from his failed marriage, he erased another mother of his children..
Jeff Ruby is a real man, Volpe, not a loud mouth egotistical coward like your buddy Drew. What has Ruby done to you that you carry on with the slams? What, he insulted your hero, the woman-beating POS you keep defending here?
He has graciously taken the steps to procure a hotel room for Kathleen's sister to stay at during the closing arguments and verdict to be rendered by the jury. So she does not have to make the long trip back and forth each morning from her home.
Why don't you grow some real balls and quit protecting the coward, and look at the compassion good people out there have to help the victims' families. I have about as much respect for your cockeyed, nonsensical comments as I do for the garbage that you seem to be drooling over every chance you get.
How do you justify calling Jeff Ruby names, when you can't even come close to kindness and compassion?
Guys like you are a dime a dozen
Pro Life Crusader +
9:01 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Watchful eye you talk like a LLWTTFBB! And like I said earlier ! Maybe you will learn something from this!
If you love me ...that's great
If you hate me...even better
Don't know me...don't judge me.
Bye bye LGB!!
Watchful Eye
9:07 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
wow, you've really flipped out now.
Bye bye.
Pro Life Crusader +
9:23 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Not me me. Because you are ODASF.
Thomas Williams
8:48 am on Sunday, September 2, 2012
Watchful Eye if you really want to get under his skin why not just not reply.
Pro Life Crusader +
8:54 am on Sunday, September 2, 2012
Thomas Williams. Wow you are so smart.
Thomas Williams
10:31 am on Sunday, September 2, 2012
like this Watchful Eye
Knew Drew
10:09 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012
Guilty
joliet resident
10:29 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012
Knew Drew I hope you are right and no young woman is ever killed again by this coward. I can't imagine how his kids must really feel about him. Eric, is a real man in my book who cares for those kids when he has no feeling for Drew. That is a great person.
Pro Life Crusader +
8:01 am on Monday, September 3, 2012
Knew Drew if you say Drew is guilty, what do you have knowledge of and what happened?
Pro Life Crusader +
7:57 am on Monday, September 3, 2012
Eric isn't taking care of Drews children, try Stephen.
Watchful Eye
10:31 am on Monday, September 3, 2012
You know, John M, Volpe, John Moreli, Francis Regan, Tom Selleck - it's hard to say anything here as long as you're around.
I mean, "How can you soar like an eagle, when you work with a bunch of turkeys."
Was Drew a turkey?
Watchful Eye
10:38 am on Monday, September 3, 2012
Joliet resident - I know what you mean. Eric does care for those children, and has been around them now that his old buzzard of a father hasn't been around. Stephen mentioned that he is involved with the kids in a recent interview. Yes, Eric is a real man because he apparently has respect for the people in his life, including his half-siblings.
Note to Volpe - pull in the chops. Eric CARES for his half-siblings, and his brother Stephen. CARES means more than taking physical CARE of them. Get over yourself.
Pro Life Crusader +
10:48 am on Monday, September 3, 2012
Watchful eye then don't come here and read my comments. What a P.M. you are!
Go somewhere else!
anthony
4:19 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
No offense to anyone ..Letting Stacey's attorney tesitfy was the equivalent of fumbling the ball on your own 20 yard line at the 2 minute warning up by 6...
Thomas Williams
6:11 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
he was never Stacey's lawyer. But I get your point he was also a defence witness. I think since Drew has lost the case it was a hale Mary pass so drew can appeal due to ineffective council..
Watchful Eye
6:54 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
There's a reason why prior co-counsel left (Lopez, et al., say they were fired). Referring to Abood, Lenard and Odeh. They disagreed with Brodsky's defense strategy. Does anyone wonder why????
Here, you have the same problem. Greenberg was heard screaming at Brodsky in the hallway outside the courtroom about how he filed over 70 motions to keep Harry Smith from testifying for the prosecution and urged Brodsky not to put him on the stand. Brodsky undid it all. It's too bad Brodsky's bloated ego was in charge. Well, too bad for the murder defendant, that is. Brodsky's tunnel vision only works for him. He only sees and hears what he wants, yet, ignores the fact that Harry Smith pointed out, several times, that Stacy said Drew killed Kathleen. Ooops. Couple that with the jury watching Brodsky stammer and waffle, and you make them think there's something to this! Oh, and reminding them that Stacy disappeared two days later isn't exactly good news for the murder defendant.
Seems like it was a Divine Intervention!
BettyBooper73
9:33 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
Drew is guilty! I am glad that Jeff Ruby put that 100k out there to help find Stacy! Now people just need to find Drews little buddy Mike . the one who has been hiding from LE since the beginning of this case and get some answers out of the little S **T! He is the one that gave Drew the cell phone, and was writing all those secret message and shredding them while another friend was in the room. HE is the key to finding Stacy! Find him, and you get some answers!! 100k reward out there!
Thomas Williams
12:58 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Betty I think that's what Cassandra was talking about the other day when she said he will be tried for Stacey's murder after he goes to prison. She said people will come out of hiding and come forward.
Watchful Eye JB made it very clear from the beginning why he wanted this case. I think he is crazy like a fox, I think he knows exactly what he's doing as unethical and as incompetent as he may seem. He gave Drew an appeal. JMHO
Pro Life Crusader +
3:22 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Judge White brought up some good points on In Session about some of the testimony for the prosecution.