Gossip, like bullying, is a very painful weapon.
As an adult, I’m still getting kicked in the teeth by gossips. As an adult, gossip makes me nauseated. I want to come out swinging, to correct the record. To defend myself.
As an adult, gossip hurts my feelings and still makes me cry sometimes — especially when the nastiness and half-truths come from people who claim they are our friends.
This a lesson to our children that they are not babies just because they get upset by maliciousness. We all get upset at any age. Words can be very hurtful.
There is no wonder why our children suffer so much by hateful words. Kids are still maturing. Their abilities to let things roll off is practically non-existent. How can we teach them to overcome the painful emotions when we, ourselves, continue to struggle with it?
Gossip can be especially potent when it is guised as concern. Half-truths are confusing. Kids have a hard time interpreting reality as it is, let alone when the reality is couched in falsehoods. Heck, we all have a hard time with that.
One of the best lessons we can teach our children is to identify gossip and to not participate in it. If you have questions about what you heard, go straight to the source. Avoid third-party interventions.
We need to teach our children to be direct, to get the story straight. Gossip is repeating third-hand information. It’s wrong. It’s hurtful. It’s damaging.
But that’s just what I heard.
Jim Glover
7:11 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
What a wonderful article. As a 55 year we are experiencing gossip in our neighborhood. The problem is the adults. I have been reminded to beware of the women that stand at the bus stop when the neighborhood began. A couple of years has gone by, now I am standing at the bus stop with the woman that went door to door that gossiped and accused me of something that I never did. What's hurtful is she has never said she was sorry. Its been 5 years and what I need to do is to forgive and forget and its hard. Like you said let's start at home and let children know how hurtful gossip is at any age.
Lysa Heaton
8:22 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Jim, that is terrible and I'm so sorry you are having to go through that :( I agree it was a wonderful article and I hope everyone reads it and takes note. Just as with bullying, if we nip gossiping in the bud there is a better chance that it may stop, after all a gossiper needs another gossiper to talk to otherwise the chain is broken. Here's to breaking all these chains, being accepting of others and celebrating our differences. I hope things get better Jim!
Jim Glover
9:00 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Thank you. That was very kind. Amen to accepting of others and celebrating our differences.
Tim
10:22 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
An article about gossip, on Patch.
How very amusing.
This is like reading an article from the Catholic Church, about child molestation.
Vanessa Holloway
10:58 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
I can't stop laughing. I was having a good day. This makes it better.
Erin Gallagher
12:33 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
I find this extremely offensive,Tim.
Missing34
2:58 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Erin, I don't think the shot was made at you, I think it was made at the Patch in general. This site runs on gossip.
Vanessa Holloway
5:51 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012
I agree with Missing 34.
Emma M.
4:38 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Even if this comment WERE geared to the whole Patch website, you still put it on this article which is extremely offensive to the person who wrote it. This was completely unnecessary and is very offensive. Especially writing that way about a Catholic Church.
Kate A.
4:53 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Honestly, I didn't even write this article and I am offended, as a Catholic, this is very offending. I cannot believe you would write something like this on an article intended on stopping gossip and how HURTFUL it is. It is no joking/laughing matter.
Rachelle Stoller
10:34 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Great reminder, Erin. As adults, we can all stand to brush up on our P's and Q's, especially since our children are watching to see if we actually practice what we preach about how to treat others. I was at a retreat this weekend, and one of the participants, a child psychologist, was talking about the rise of "relational aggression," which involves damaging another person's standing in their social circle through covert bullying. It's most common in girls and definitely includes gossiping. I would agree that adults model behavior for their children, whether it is by gossiping, rudeness or even unnecessary sarcasm.
Vanessa Holloway
10:57 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
I have a next door neighbor that no one on the block talks too. He has a comment about everyone. No one believes what he says, which really makes this neighbor angrier because none of us will play his childhood games. I just ignore them and they ignore my family and I and everyone else. It makes life simpler that way. We don't need their drama.
forget me
11:50 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Last week on the news they were saying how gossiping is therapeutic. I'm not sure about that but I think everyone gossips in some way or form. Pretty much media itself is gossip right? They tell it all about everyone. Nothing is sacred. No matter if you are a good or bad person. Someone, (always 1 in a bunch) will gossip, whether it be good or bad. So, I use to let things bother me but as i grow older it doesn't as much. My attitude is if i let it bother me, then that person is successful. If I choose to ignore it or confront them, then that poison is not effective. Usually what is thrown out there by these gossip hounds tend to come back to them. Do I gossip? Honestly yes I do. I guess i am a gossip hound as well. I don't do it to be mean or spiteful. It's conversation, something to chat about. I don't broadcast it to the world or neighborhood. It's just conversation to chat about with my husband, friends or family. Is it just natural to do it? Why do we feel we need to do it. Not sure , maybe our brain receptors pick it up as excitement. I know when so and so cheats on their spouse, can't you just wait to tell someone? lol ok I'm just as bad.
Jane Enviere
1:19 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Gossip will always be around because if people didn't talk about people...well, chatting about the weather only lasts so long. ; ) Like most people, I try to teach my kids to treat others as they would like to be treated. That includes how we use our words - both spoken and written.
It relates to one of the main reasons why we have declined to join the rest of the world on Facebook - zero desire for drama and nonsense. That will have to change down the road because it's unlikely that we will be able to persuade our children to pass on Facebook or its then contemporary. I suppose then people can gossip about why our only "FB friends" are our kids. lol!
I'm pretty much beyond caring what people say about me. I know what I know, and the great thing about getting older is each year you often care less about what people who are largely insigninficant to you say or do. It's funny because my lack of interest in gossip played a huge role in how we chose our neighborhood. While it would be nice if my kids had more children their own age right on our street, it is great to live in a place where people pretty much stick to waving and a quick greeting as they pass you by, minding their own business, on a walk around the neighborhood. I'll take that any day over knowing everyone and everything about the folks on my street.
Greg O'Neil
12:04 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
That's a good one. "I picked my house because people in my neighborhood don't gossip". And you knew that before you moved in? Wow!!!
Jane Enviere
4:06 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Greg -- if you're going to use quotation marks when referencing my post, please do so with words that I actually wrote. The sentence that you wrote does not appear in my post. What a totally bizarre thing to do. It's a strange level of interest in things that I never said. And a great example of how odd people can be online, I guess.
We chose our neighborhood because it was more established (not new construction and full of young families) and of mixed ages. We spent hours driving around and observing the neighborhood before we made an offer. Weekends, weekdays, weekday evenings, etc. We purposely did not choose one of the new developments because we wanted a more private, reserved feel. I have friends who moved into the newer communities with pools, etc., and they love them! That's great for people who enjoy that sense of connectedness and socialization. We opted for something else with more privacy and a quick wave every so often.
We may not know the neighbors' names, nor do we have block parties and bbqs, but we also don't experience online sniping through the neighborhood message board or FB feuding with someone over a perceived slight over a party invite, etc. All things that I hear people constantly complain about when it comes to neighborhood/subdivision drama.
Many people adore a close-knit highly social n'hood and I think that's great - different strokes! When you don't know the neighbors and they don't know you - there isn't much gossip! lol
Robyn Vickers
8:53 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
C'mon Jane, your neighbors probably get together and try to guess what your story is. ;) LOL
Jane Enviere
9:19 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
@Robyn -- lol! The funny thing is that at almost a decade in, I probably wouldn't even recognize neighbors who live within 3 or 4 houses of me if I stood next to them at Target. ; ) We walked this neighborhood so many times to get a feel for it, and there was *never* anyone outside. And we moved in the spring/summer, when the weather was great! We can go months without even seeing out next door neighbors. It's a total "keep to yourself" street and we love that. I remember when I had my 2nd baby and we were out about 7 mos later and somebody from down the way asked if we were babysitting because she never knew I was pregnant. lol!
Oddly enough, our kids have just recently noticed that no one is ever really out and they always ask why no one knows when the weather is good. Ha! Their idea is that if there isn't a total thunderstorm, surely you should be outside. ; ) They get that from their dad, not their AC-loving mom!
Tina Conley
6:07 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
I think I would be more concerned about living in a neighborhood where neighbors don't know one anothers names or know anything about them and their habits, or that they have children out there playing alone, than about stalking an older neighborhood because they don't gossip..
Jim Glover
1:33 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
There must be a reason to gossip. Why are we doing it? Is it to get even or jealous? Theirs levels of gossip from small talk to just being mean. Yes, the door to door gossip backfired but it left scars. A mean gossip that has affected a small neighborhood. I read Erin's article this morning to my grandaughter. Her class is discussing actions of their behavior.
Erin Gallagher
1:50 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Way to go, Jim Glover (and your granddaughter's class)!
Emma M.
3:24 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Very well written, Erin. In my eyes, I believe that bullying is a way for the bully to let anger from their own unpleasant experiences. Even if they are going through their own personal experiences, that's absolutely no reason for them to go after an innocent person. I find this article very well written and the point of gossiping was made clear. Fantastic job. For those who laugh at this, read it again and process through your mind what it's actually about. I say some of those comments up there are bullying. Sorry if you feel differently, that's just my opinion. I say this is a great article. Thank you for sharing.
Tim
3:52 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
What is amusing about it, is that is is printed on a site that is notorious for 'less-than-accurate' reporting... otherwise known as gossip. I am not talking about just in the comments, but the editors as well. What would otherwise pass for rumors, end up being front-page stories, and any questions as to the accuracy of these claims will be deleted from the comments entirely by some editors. No external links to verify claims are given, and demanding such evidence will get an account deleted/suspended under the claim of 'personal attacks'.
Other than listening to the echo chamber of patch employees, attempt to gain an outside view and google the phrase 'AOL Patch problems', or 'AOL Patch Ethics' and sit back in amazement at what comes back.
*I am not making the claim that Erin specifically does this, just that other unnamed editors have a reputation for doing this locally, and also throughout other patch sites.
Kelly
1:11 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
I debated as to whether or not to step in on this and defend the current writers and editors in the media today. Why? Because I didn't want to get into a crazy verbal altercation. So I will say one thing ... You have no idea the pressure the media is under these days. You don't just file a story and go home to your family. You don't wait for the paper to come out the next day with your article in it. You're constantly attached to Twitter, posting new stories, and releasing info as it becomes available because WE the public want to know everything right away. Then, if you're Steven, Erin, Andre, etc., you have to monitor posts (some great, some completely irrelevent) from people about your stories. It's a never-ending job that gets little positive recognition, especially in the age where people can hide behind screen names and take pot-shots. Do they make mistakes? Yes. We all do. Is the Patch the greatest piece of writing known to man? No. But guess what, you don't pay for it. Tim, considering your post here and what you said about the Catholic Church in a previous post, you should be the last one making claims about gossip. It's really quite amusing to me.
Missing34
3:01 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
What did Tim say Kelly that wasn't true?
Erin Gallagher
3:11 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
It baffles me that Tim could take an obnoxious swat at the Catholic Church and no one seems to notice! That's what is so unbelievably offensive. And Vanessa, your inappropriate laughter didn't go unnoticed.
Missing34
4:14 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Seriously? I'm Catholic(and I attend most Sundays, kids in CCD classes etc) and wouldn't attend a seminar given by the Catholic church on the dangers of Child molesting.
MidwestGal
4:58 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
No one commented about his comment on the catholic church because it is 100% true. Also, it's not even the point, it's simply an accurate comparison to some of the gossip the Patch posts.
Kelly
7:27 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
It's the blanket statement about the church that I think offends people like myself. It would be like saying that every high school employs a bunch of molesters simply because of a few sick people, or that all cops are crooked because of a few bad apples. And finally, I think he phrased it as kind of a joke and molestation is NOT a laughing matter.
Missing34
8:47 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
The joke was at the expense of the church, not child molestation. The people that laugh at such a joke are probably the ones that are angriest at the Church's reluctance to really do anything about it for many, many years and can see the irony in such a statement. If you find it offensive, that's fine as well, but don't expect others to react the same way you do.
The Church's reluctance was because of the loss of valuable dollars, this site runs on advertising dollars and many articles are presented here to get a response and to promote conversation (GOSSIP) and drive people to this site. See the irony? The Patch is loving this.
Kelly
9:06 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
I never said I expected others to react the same way I did, I just explained why I made the statement I did. My original point was that I was amused that he made a statement like that after talking about gossip. And it still stands. Gossip is idle talk, and considering the fact that the church and molestation had nothing to do with what Erin wrote about, that's what it was.
Missing34
9:14 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
I don't recall Tim ever criticizing or condemning gossip, he just found the irony in the article being written on a "gossipy" news vehicle and compared it to another ironic (albeit sensitive) situation. I am however, glad you found it amusing too.
Missing34
9:16 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
I also apologize Jane, it was not you that expected us to be offended, it was the original author of the article.
Kelly
9:21 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
Once again, I never said he criticized it or condemned it. And my name is Kelly ... I am offended by that. Kidding. :)
Missing34
9:27 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
Apologies on the name Kelly, I must have taken my position from this comment:
"considering your post here and what you said about the Catholic Church in a previous post, you should be the last one making claims about gossip. It's really quite amusing to me."
No worries, have a great day.
Kelly
9:31 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
I could see how you might assume that's what I meant, but I didn't. No worries here either!
Vanessa Holloway
5:59 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012
Whatever Erin. While you may think that Tim's comment about the Catholic Church is offensive, I don't. I'm entitled to my opinion and right now I'm commenting as a reader, not a reporter.
Monica
2:57 pm on Saturday, April 28, 2012
@Vanessa, after having read some of your "articles" it is obvious that you are not commenting as a reporter in those either.
Kate A.
4:56 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012
I completely agree. I can't believe some people find this 'amusing'. Especially trying to be funny towards a Catholic Church. Great article. I wish some people could actually appreciate it more.
Amy Manning
8:14 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Erin - I agree, nice article! I think the issue here is that people need to have more respect for one another. Before saying anything about anyone - we all need to ask ourself if we would be embarrassed by that person hearing what we said. Also, we should learn to disagree with people and still have respect for them as a human being (ie - leave out personal attacks, etc). It is too bad that many adults are not modeling how to do this for their kids. Thanks for bringing up some good points.
smartestblonde
7:47 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012
While absolutely true, your opinion is much too idealistic....gossip will never disappear. We need to stop hoping that the world will change for our kids and actually prepare them for the reality of it. You stated "Their abilities to let things roll off is practically non-existent"...according to who??? If this is accurate, then that's the fault of the parent. Having a "thick skin" must be taught and is just as important as teaching your kid good manners, which includes refraining from talking about a person behind his/her back.
Prairie ridge kevin
9:50 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012
You reading this Brandi, learn a lesson.
Marie Markowski
4:12 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Tim, can you back up your comments regarding the Patch, it's editors and the contributors with specific examples? To make a blanket statement such as yours is no better than what you say is happening.
Tim
5:31 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Which is exactly why I gave you two phrases to search in google to read what others have experienced at Patch.
Luckily, Patch can only censor their own site, not the entire internet.
http://www.gossipandvice.com/tag/aol/
http://www.framingham.com/patch/
Marie Markowski
11:24 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
The first link is from a blogger--blogs are no better than any other "gossiper". The 2nd link had nothing to do with "...a site that is notorious for 'less-than-accurate' reporting." that I could see. These certainly can't be considered proof to substantiate your allegations about this situation, at least in my book. So, I'll chalk your posts up to nothing but gossip.
Tim
11:51 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Marie,
That is why I gave you phrases to search, which you still have not done.
You can discount the 2 links I provided you all you want, but they are still a sampling from the phrases I posted for you to search on your own, and of the experiences that others have had with Patch and their 'style' of gossip=news.
Frankly, your inability to check a search engine on your own, and instead rely on only 2 links provided to you, is exactly why Patch thinks there is a market for gossip. They seem to be able to count on people just believing what they read, without going off on their own to verify it.
Tim
12:06 am on Friday, April 27, 2012
In fact, there are so many people who can not be bothered to look something up on their own, a site has been created just for you. It is called 'Let me google that for you'.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=AOL+Patch+Problems
Missing34
4:19 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
I think he gave you two phrases to google that explain his comments.
Jeanne Hall
4:51 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Archbishop J. Peter Sartain (currently of Seattle, formerly of Joliet) wrote a chapter on gossip and its dangers in his book, "Of You My Heart Has Spoken." It gives excellent insight. And one does not have to be Catholic to read & learn from it.
MidwestGal
5:02 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Gossip is bullying and I agree with Jane when she posted that a more established neighborhood has less catty gossipers. Bullys and gossipers generally have more life sadness and need to make themselves feel better. It gives them a power that makes them superficially happy. Let them be, God blesses those who are good people.
Walt Hines
6:20 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press. If you don't like what you're reading move on! The same goes for having an opinion and being able to express your view. Don't want to post your real name, who cares. You don't agree with someone's religious views it's not the end of the world, life will go on. I have read all these posts and a portion of them are no different than the gossiping everyone has a problem with.
Since when have we become everyone's keeper?
Marie Markowski
2:03 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012
Tim, I certainly don't, and never have, expected anyone to do anything for me, including on-line searches. I simply missed your phrases in your first post. I'm well aware that all types of media have misinformation, etc. You have a wonderful weekend.
jaskie1505
2:23 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012
Not sure why, but the Drew Peterson HEARSAY case came to mind while reading some of these comments. Much of what is passed off as gossip is hearsay. So and so said. Hear we label it bullying, etc. In Drew's case it could be life or death. Yet the courts are going ahead and allowing it.
Not saying Drew is innocent or guilty. Just saying that is this the kind of evidence we want our courts to be judging people on in the future.
Vanessa Holloway
3:28 pm on Saturday, April 28, 2012
Monica- I would like to know what articles you are referring too. Yes I had a few that I described experiences (Ex: trip articles, a Whiz Kid article on my own children), but other than that, not sure what your getting at. Please clarify.