Residents Weigh in on New Library
Shorewood-Troy Library turns to the residents for thoughts on a potential new building.
About 50 people turned out to Shorewood-Troy Library Dec. 3 to weigh in on the possibility of a whole new library building.
"They were really just trying to get a feel for if they would like the building and how the building would work for them,"Jennie Mills, library executive director said.
The library district is already under contract to purchase the 5 acres they intend to build on, land which is out by the newly-constructed village hall.
As we reported in April, the library district has outgrown its current space.
"We don’t have enough room for (book) collections," Mills said at the time. "We are getting rid of books that could still be used to make room for new books."
The residents who came out to the December meeting were looking for the library to incorporate certain things into their newly designed space when it is built.
Among their request are better children's space, more appealing children's space, better parking and more technology.
"(They wanted) more computer terminals and more complex software," Mills said
The residents wanted to see more business application software, some Macs in the library and more electrical outlets, Mills said. Residents also would like to see more comfortable seating.
While the library had the funds to purchase the land already available, the ability to build on that land would require approval of the taxpayers via a referendum.
"We are aiming to go to referendum on April 9," Mills said.
While the library intends to ask the taxpayer for an increase when they go to the polls, the amount of that increase is not yet final.
About 50 people turned out to Shorewood-Troy Library Dec. 3 to weigh in on the possibility of a whole new library building.
"They were really just trying to get a feel for if they would like the building and how the building would work for them,"Jennie Mills, library executive director said.
The library district is already under contract to purchase the 5 acres they intend to build on - which is out by the newly-constructed village hall.
As we reported in April, the library district has outgrown its current space.
"We don’t have enough room for (book) collections," Mills said at the time. "We are getting rid of books that could still be used to make room for new books."
While the library had the funds to purchase the land already available, the ability to build on that land would require approval of the taxpayers via a referendum.
"We are aiming to go to referendum on April 9," Mills said.
While the library intends to ask the taxpayer for an increase when they go to the polls, the amount of that increase is not yet final.
Mills said the architectural concept will not be done until end of December and by Jan. 10, they should have an amount.
Mills said in all of the feedback about design and desires of the new library, residents did not complain about the possible referendum.
"We didn’t really hear any anger or upset about the tax law," she said.
Shorewood-Troy Library is part of the Pinnacle Library Consortioum.
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M&M
5:24 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Just what we don't need, higher property taxes for a new library when we already have one.Most of the people I know hardly use the library anymore in this digital age. I heard on the radio the cost will be $20-21 million, with the average home paying an additional $200.00 more on their property taxes.The library we have now looks to be in very good shape. I will have to vote no on this referendum.
Bob
6:46 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
I live on the east side of Channahon in troy township, I don't need my taxes to go up for something that is inconvenient for me to use. I would like to see us annexed to Channahon township so at least their library is more accessible.
Jennie Cisna Mills
6:53 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
As the Library Director, I can let you know that our little library is very well used. The Library circulated about 177,000 books last year. We had 75,000 people enter our doors. and had 11,000 uses of our computers (with only 16 public computers), and held 409 programs (more than one a day) for 9,000 attendees. All this in a "hidden" location and with inadequate parking! The current building was built to serve a community 1/3rd of our size, and we have reached capacity. We're at the point where we have to remove one book from the collection to add a new book to the collection.
The physical building is lovely! But it's a 25 year old building that needed its furnaces replaced this year, and it doesn't have enough power outlets. Why are we worried about power outlets? Because of the new technology that has happened since 1985. We need more technology for our patrons, and for patron laptops.
The cost estimating has not been done for the proposed building yet; that's scheduled to be done by the end of December. However, if you look at your tax bill now, the Library is only 1.8% of your total tax bill (less than the Forest Preserve). We estimate that your cost will go up to about 6% of the total tax bill, which is still a great bargain.
We're a great library now, but we can be an even bigger asset to our community with a more modern building and adequate parking.
PS - did you know that you can check out ebooks through us with your Shorewood-Troy Library card?
Jennie Cisna Mills
6:57 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Bob -
The new library is meant to be a little more centrally located in the area to better serve all of our residents. We do have a lot of virtual services that patrons can use, like access to ebooks and databases.
The long-term plan for the building site is also meant to be a central commercial site, not just an area for the library. We hope to be a destination site ourselves, but we will one day also be place that is surrounded by retail, so that you don't always visit only the library, but also to shop at a store, or eat at restaurant.
M&M
7:20 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Sounds to me like the library is trying to get into the commercial aspect of making money, instead of being just a library for learning experiences, as was intended. Also ,if I'm reading ebooks, why do I need to go to a library? And if my portion of the library tax goes from $60.00 to $250.00, I see no bargain. Yes we need a library, but we already have one. We must be prudent when it comes to raising property taxes.
Jennie Cisna Mills
7:36 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
M & M, where did you get that we were going to be making money? All I was saying was the foot-traffic of our library and other businesses could complement each other. All our services will remain as they are - we don't intend to start charging for books (like a bookstore), or charging for CDS, which yes, people still listen too (like a music store), or DVDs (like Wal-Mart and Target). We're still going to be the source for life-long learning and entertainment.
All a larger building does is allow us to have *more* books, *more* DVDS, and more *CDs* for patrons. Also, the library does have 2 e-book subscription services, so we can be your source for digital entertainment too.
CCW in Illinois
9:59 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Higher initial outlay, more maintenance, more staff (forgot that one didnt ya?), higher pay for the adminstrators because we now have "more staff", higher utility bills, etc. The never ending screw to the taxpayers. 200 more to you, 100 more to him, 300 more to them, lets not forget the state's pension problems, and federal taxe's, sheet, now were talking real money.
M&M
7:54 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
You should have more then enough money to put in new power outlets and replace your furnaces. Again, where is the bargain for the approximately $200.00 increase in our property tax bill for most people who don't use the library? As I have stated before we need and we have a library already.
Infamous Steve
9:44 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Yea I have to agree. This is a stupid idea. I bet half the village doesn't even know about this. M&M has alot of valid points..what about those of us that do not care about or use the library? with some much "digital entertainment" out there and all these eReaders out there who needs a place to go read! See the thing is parents want a free babysitter for their kids...somewhere they can "get away" from them but still be close. Instead of raising property taxes why not try to reach out to the people that DO want it? Why not try fundraising or a bake sale or something instead of just taking people's hard earned money for something they do not want? Of course you'll be getting a NO vote from me...I just hope that plenty of other people follow suit.
CCW in Illinois
10:29 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Wonder how that 500k spent on land could have been better utilized to upgrade the existing facilitie's so we could "limp along" for a few more years before royally ramming it up the taxpayers kiester.
Kerry Goodwin
9:36 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
It is a fact of life & simple reality that we need a new library building. This isn't a new concept. Population has grown, demands & needs have changed & increased. This is a community of all kinds of families, many, like my own, that are young families raising children that require new technologies & having a library that can house a proper selection of books & collections. Also, the potential of the towne center being a gathering place that the library could be a part of is a very exciting prospect. In a western suburb of Cleveland, where I herald from, they have a beautiful community area called Crocker Park that includes stores, restaurants, movies & gathering spaces. It is we'll loved & well used and if Shorewood creates even a small version of this, it would be a wonderful addition to have a library in the mix to visit as well. No one wants to pay more taxes but times & needs change and no one can stop that. Progress is progress. It is almost 2013....we are a community whose needs have changed & we must address it.
M&M
5:00 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
I don't think the population has grown much, if any in the last four years. Our present library seems to have survived quite well. Now is not the time to ask people who may owe more than their house is worth, seniors who are on a fixed income, people who may have taken lower paying jobs because of no fault of their own, no now is not the time to ask people to dig deeper into their pockets, just so you can have a bigger library.
CCW in Illinois
10:01 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
You are apparently ignorant of everyone's economic hardship,or you dont give a damn. I vote for the latter.
CCW in Illinois
10:10 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Like Illinois public pension's, the many pay for the few.
Christine
9:53 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Isn't this a recession? They way people are interested in spending money, I just don't see it. I love the library. People just cannot afford increased property taxes now. I see a huge sense of entitlement. And people CAN stop increased property taxes. We elect officials to work for us. We don't work for them.
CCW in Illinois
10:11 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
If you are a tax consuming entity, there is never a recession, just an adjusted levy. Taxing bodys cannot afford a tax cut.
Jennie Cisna Mills
10:01 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
The Library is a well-loved space - we've consistently seen circulation rise 6-7% a year. A lot of this rise is due to the recession. We also help people who've lost their jobs by providing them with computers they don't have to pay to use, free internet, free MS Office software, resume books that they don't have to pay to checkout, and free computer classes to brush up their skills. We may all be technologically proficient, on this comment board, but not everyone is. Libraries help level the playing field for people. We open our doors to all; not just the rich and not just the poor. We serve a community of people from infants to elderly.
We use tax money wisely - the library has NOT asked for a tax increase since the district was formed in 1976. We also know that studies show that for each $1 put into a library, the library puts out $3-4 to its community.
We give job-seekers places to go. We provide technology to those who can't afford it. We help children maintain their reading skills over the summer. We provide a outreach to those who can't visit us. We give space for people to collaborate and work and meet.
Shorewood deserves a really good library, and the current building just isn't adequate for the community's needs. We're below state standards for collection size and access to technology.
CCW in Illinois
10:03 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
And who is your employer? You have a job already, You must be looking at a 25% pay bump for yourself due to all your additional "responsibilities" if this pipe dream becomes reality.
Kerry Goodwin
10:04 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
It's not entitlement. It's reality the library needs more space.
SonofJohn
11:25 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Want more room;Then add on to the present building at a fraction of the cost, and keep the cost down. In this economy and with the taxes Illinois citizens pay, it is enough. Redistribution of our wealth needs to have a vote by all citizens on the this tax raising project.
M&M
4:17 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Jennie you said " The library is a well loved space" yes by a minority of the people. There are are not many things that we as tax payers have control of, but saying no to this referendum is one that we do have control over to keep our property taxes down. Lets not play Santa Claus with our tax dollars. I also hope the people in charge of this continue to use transparency as to keep us informed of the costs.
CCW in Illinois
10:18 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Transparency? They have already spent over $500,000 of our money, without asking for approval, and have an architect working on the plans, and the referendum isnt til April. One can only presume the archy is working for free until the ref is passed right?
The library board appears to be trying to keep this as quiet as possible, presuming that the populace wont notice the ballot issue, or that most wont show up for a small election in April. Way to instill trust with the taxpayers, just sliiiide it in, no one will notice.
Josh
6:35 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
I'm sure they'd love to see a new library, built right next to the village hall (ahem...Taj Mahal), and be nearly identical in every aspect. And why Mac products? They're pricier than PCs. More taxpayer money wasted. It's called bureaucracy, and people that want to create their own little kingdoms. I wouldn't call the location "hidden" - very easy to get to from Jefferson Street. Besides, 25 years is not old for a library...I could see if it were 50 or 100, but lets face the reality...people in Shorewood and Will County are already paying sky high property taxes that inevitably go up every year. The average family is at their max...no more! Wouldn't it be more cost effective to update the current building? The Joliet library downtown is well over 100 years old and has been updated countless times to keep pace with technology...I think what it all boils down to is some people just want a fancy new showpiece. It doesn't matter if the increase would be less than what the Forest Preserve is...bottom line, building a new facility amounts to taxes going up. No way could I vote yes on this.
CCW in Illinois
10:05 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Land that has been vacant for years sells to the library for 100k an acre? Did they show the seller the blank checkbook of the taxpayers in the negotiations?
Stephanie Schuler
8:37 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
For those people suggesting they expand their current facility...where should they expand to?? Have you even been to this library? There is no room for expansion.
For people questioning the purchase of Mac computers, do you not realize that most schools in the district have Macs for their students to learn Adobe programs on? It would be great for those students to have a place to do their homework for these classes since not everyone can have a Mac in their home. I love this library! It has more family programs than the village itself. The library is a great asset to our children! The Village seems to forget there are young families in the area when they do their "parks and recreation" programs so the library picks up the slack when they don't even have to.
For people complaining about paying taxes for something they don't use, do you use every forest preserve? Do you have children attending our schools? Do you call the fire department on a regular basis (enough to make it worth what you pay?)? These are all things we have to improve quality of life for the community.
Josh
2:34 am on Friday, December 14, 2012
Stephanie - I think most people's point is many families are at their breaking point as far as expenditures. Cost of living is going up yet incomes remain the same if not lower. Food, gas, everything is going up. A tax increase here and a tax increase there adds up! Young families will have to learn to make due with less. It's as simple as these are the times we live in...make due with what you have. Your bringing up the fire department is a mute point, since that's a life safety issue. It doesn't matter if you use them once a week or once in thirty years, you want them there. Constructing a new "Taj Mahal" under the guise of "it's for the children" and "the current facility is old and outdated" is something entirely different. If your house needs a new furnace or more power outlets, would you just build a new one? A property tax increase wouldn't effect some...but the majority, it certainly would.
M&M
7:03 am on Friday, December 14, 2012
Stephanie, would it be impossible to add an addition going up? I think, as you have said " I love this library" that you and others may be looking at this through rose colored glasses. If you don't get your showplace library, what will happen? Nothing will happen, the same group of people will continue to use the library and nobody will miss a beat.As far as the your comment on the forest preserve, the cost went up $5.00, not $200.00 as the proposed library will go up. And you mentioned the fire department, are you seriously trying to compare the library and fire department in the same sentence?
CCW in Illinois
10:06 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
If you love it so much, take your own funds and make a very large charitable donation and I will love you to death for it.
Tina
7:30 am on Friday, December 14, 2012
I'd have to assume that people who think the current library can just expand, or is fine the way it is haven't spent much time in the current building. I suggest they try finding a parking space while a program is being offered. What with the expansive selection of maybe 20 spaces, it should be no problem. If they find a spot and go in to the library, maybe they will get lucky and be able to enter without being assaulted by the musty and mildew smells that emanate from the downstairs on a regular basis. Once in the library they can try to look for a DVD by crawling on their hands and knees because the shelves are packed from the floor up. While they are on the floor they can also look for a good space to add those new outlets. When they check out they should look past the person filling the DVD for them and take in the confined and crowded space the staff has to work in, all 30 feet of it. Or maybe just for fun they can go sit elbow to elbow with a perfect stranger and try to use a computer that is slow and outdated with no privacy. I have not been lucky enough to have to use the public computer and have my space and privacy invaded, but I know many who have no choice.
If you don't want the tax increase then vote no, but please don't pretend like there is an easier or cheaper fix. Some of us use the library, with or without rose colored glasses, value it and will vote yes knowing a bake sale won't cover the problems that the current library has.
M&M
7:55 am on Friday, December 14, 2012
I guess I went on a slow day. I went there two months ago at about 10am, and I only saw one other person using the library. Nobody on the floor crawling on their hands and knees, I think I would have noticed that. And you are right, I don't want my library tax to increase from $60.00 to $250.00, so I will vote no.
CCW in Illinois
10:22 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
60 to 250? Lets talk real numbers. A quadrupling of what you currently pay, if the figures are even honest ( doubt it ).
A 400% increase in your library tax on your property tax bill. Gimme the lipstick so I can slather it on this pig.
Stephanie Schuler
10:20 am on Thursday, December 20, 2012
CCW - It saddens me to see so many harsh comments. Perhaps you feel I view the library through rise colored glasses but do you honestly believe you will change anyone's opinion using that tone. Believe me, if I had the money I would give some willingly! We are in the lower income bracket which is why we do utilize the library so much.
If you feel so strongly, be proud and use your full names! Be heard!
CCW in Illinois
10:53 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
And being in the lower bracket, it would be fair and somewhat accurate that your utilization likely exceeds your contribution. So having less to lose, you see nothing wrong in requiring evryone else to contribute more, irregardless of their feelings that most taxing bodies local and state have been piss poor stewards of the taxpayers dime.
And if your stupid enough to use your real name on a net page, that is your right. I choose to not be so stupid, thank you.
Stephanie Schuler
2:15 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012
Isn't there a moderator who can edit these comments? Such vulgarity is unnecessary!
Erin Sauder
2:29 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012
Some comments have been deleted. Please refrain from making personal attacks and using vulgar language.
CCW in Illinois
5:03 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012
http://shorewood-il.patch.com/events/pink-zebra-open-houselaunch-party
Stephanie Schuler
9:38 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012
Thanks for the extra publicity! Too bad it's a month too late :(