Partly cloudy. Chance of showers and thunderstorms until late afternoon...then showers and thunderstorms likely late in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and small hail late in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 80s. South winds 10 to 15 mph early in the morning becoming 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph in the late morning and afternoon. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.
I find it sad that people still believe this crap but then I look at the person posting it and realize that he is an idiot and actually feel sorry for him. John, why don't you just come out and admit you are a racist, it would be so much easier.
The GOP candidates are a sorry and disfunctional lot of rank hypocrites with no backbone and will do and say anything to get elected.
Michele Bachmann, the great bloviator against government subsidies and handouts has herself been the beneficiary of hundreds upon thousands of taxpayer subsidies and so has her husband Marcus:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/26/nation/la-na-bachmann-20110626
Meanwhile Newt Gingrich's campaign creditors wonder if they will get paid since Newt's campaign bounced a 500.00 check to the State Of Utah:
http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm Fiscally responsible faithful husband and paid lobbyist for the mortgage giants, it's getting hard to see who takes first place in the rank hypocrite of the year contest.
Since Odumba took office, unemployment has doubled and he has spent the most money faster than any other President in our history! Time to dumb the socialist Muslim!
The US budget is controlled by the Congress, not the president. Currently, the house appropriations committee is Republican led. Under the structure of our government, bills that become law originate in the House before being sent to the senate and voted on. Only then, does it go to the president to sign into law.
Being that you don't understand how government works, on such a basic level, it is no surprise you are misusing the word 'socialist'.
Time to "dumb" him? Why is the insane right so insistently inarticulate? These people actually believe that the the state of being "over-educated" exists. Why is our country seemingly latching onto cluelessness as an attribute? Being uninformed is not a state to strive for.
Olddeegee posted:
Time to "dumb" him? Why is the insane right so insistently inarticulate? These people actually believe that the the state of being "over-educated" exists. Why is our country seemingly latching onto cluelessness as an attribute? Being uninformed is not a state to strive for.
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that's why they're the useful idiots and the name is so appropriate.
Since these poor economic times have been so prolonged unemployment does not tell the wholde story. You have to look at unemployment and underemployment. Here is a link from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics that tells the rest of the story. Unemployment and underemployment. This is a no bullshit look at what is going on and it isn't pretty. Nice that some people will conveniently forget about underemployed people due to the duration of this recession, the longest in history.
Tim, you are totally wrong on the budget process....here is the opening orf the process and then i will give you alink that outlines the whole process including spending.
The President, according to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, must submit a budget to Congress each year. In its current form, federal budget legislation law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a)) specifies that the President submit a budget between the first Monday in January and the first Monday in February. In recent times, the President's budget submission, entitled Budget of the U.S. Government, has been issued in the first week of February. Thus, President George W. Bush submitted the FY2007 budget in February 2006. The President's budget submission, along with supporting documents and historical budget data, can be found at the Office of Management and Budget's (OMB) website. The President's budget contains detailed information on spending and revenue proposals, along with policy proposals and initiatives with significant budgetary implications.
I think you need the history lesson....do you recall this years budget submitted by the President was overwhelmingly shot down by both sides of the aisle? Get your facts straight if you are going to dictate to others. As was last years. Why have theDems never passed a budget when they controlled the President, the congress, and the senate? Sure wasn't (Republican) obstructionism.
Here...Johns estimate on unemployment that you want to dismiss is actually very close. Here is alink to the Beaureau of Labor Statistics on unemployment (NO UNDEREMPLOYMENT ADDED). and you hgave access to a user defined period of time at the top. Pick your years. Heres the link. Definitely downhill under President Obama...
actually pretty close?
That chart says exactly what I already typed, and linked to.
January 2009, when Obama took office, 7.8%
Now, 8.1%
0.3% is not 'doubling'.
It is nowhere near the 5.5% claimed that it was in the past. And it is nowhere near the 9.9% that it is claimed to be now.
Comparing 'underemployed' is a whole other discussion, that has nothing to do with the fact that neither John, nor you, seem to be able to match up dates in history with their corresponding numbers on a chart.
@Tim (11:09 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012)...I never made any claims. I only provided you an actual chart from the government. Do not make those accusations. And I know underemploment is a separate issue. I brought it up, stated it, and put it out there. The fact you either do not want or won't discuss it says volumes. You lose the argument when you pick and choose the argument you will only have. These underemployment numbers are historical.
Then there is Herman Cain, another corporate raider and bankster who cannot seem to own up to his long pattern of sexually harrassing women in a workplace enviornment. Message to Herman: when scores of women come forward with the same story and your lawyers secretly settle, blame yourself !
Now onto the GOP's official regulator of the cha-cha's, Rick Santorum, who said he was pro-choice all his life..until he ran for congress. Hows that for convenience:
tp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/rick-santorum-abortion_n_1291634.html Rick Santorums foreign and domestic policies can be wrapped up in one sentence:
regulate cha-cha's and ban birth control.Bye-bye Rick. You were born in the wrong century.
Last but not least, there is the chosen one, Romney, who has stated that he can't talk about his plan for America because he will lose the election:
http://www.thenewsburner.com/2012/03/26/mitt-romney-i-cant-tell-you-what-i-will-do-because-ill-lose/ Now that is scarey but Romney was chosen by the rich and powerful to do their bidding. Romney is the candidate of the 1% and that, too is scarey. Romney denounces Obamacare but himself passed an identical healthcare act while governer of Mass. He has become wealthy beyond imagination by killing jobs for Americans and keeps money in off shore banks. His economic policies are the same as the policies of GWB complete with taxpayer handouts to the 1% on the backs of everyone else.
Vote republican ? Now that's comical.
@ Tawanda...read the news. those "other" candidates are out. It is down to Romney. And all you can do is recite talking points. His policies are not the same as GWB. Obama has taken a lead from Bush's economic and national security policies. No ideas of his own.
You are hijacking the cartoon as you always do. This same thing happened between Obama and Hilary. Everyone conveniently forgets that including Chuck.
And if being part of the 1% is all you got, God Bless capitalism.
Have you ever seen a communist vote Republican? They are affiliated with labor and socialism. That is argument enough for me and don't go citing an anecdotal article from some left winged web site. We Know your tactics dear!
< super GROAN> here comes a gazillion of replies from WaD or the screen name du jour. Tawanda does know how to smoke out those useful idiots of the 1% !
@WaD: Romneys policies mirror those of GWB/Cheney and we all know where that has lead to..except the useful idiots of the 1%. They are a sorry clueless bunch who do not mind being used to promote a campaign of misrepresentation and personal attacks, and why ? Because they cannot accept a non-white as head of America.
@WaD, who posted:
I saw a bumper sticker the other day too Tawanda. It said, "does anyone know a communist that ever voted Republican?".
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when unable to respond intelligently or rationally, call people communists. or socialists. or Muslims socialists. or Marxists.
next up in the rightwing arsenal of deflection tactics: accuse the 99% of waging class warfare on the 1% <lol> stay tuned
Car in front of me yesterday at a stop light. 2 bumper stickers on either side of his tidy compact vehicle. One read " Go Around Me, I Am Retired " and the other bumper sticker read " I Can Take Care Of Myself, That's Why I Am A Republican " As I got alongside him, I noticed an older white haired man going about his business and all I could think was if it were not for his monthly social security check and medicare benefits, he would likely be swimming in some deep and stinky doo-doo.
Does this republican know that other republicans consider social security and medicare " socialistic " and unconstitutional and that they want deep cuts and/or privatization ? Is he even remotely aware that his fellow republicans have had social security in their crosshairs for many years without the slightest regard as to how our elderly will survive ?
Perhaps Mr. Retired Republican should add another bumper sticker to his car, one which reads " Ignorance Is Bliss "
He is probably a veteran that fought for your freedom....but then I suppose you respect no one, and anyone who disagrees with you. You pose a lot of hypothetical questions (ie. Does this republican know that other republicans consider social security and medicare " socialistic " and unconstitutional and that they want deep cuts and/or privatization ? Is he even remotely aware that his fellow republicans have had social security in their crosshairs for many years without the slightest regard as to how our elderly will survive ?" regarding this elderly gentleman. Do you know the answers or are you just telling everyone what you think is the basolute truth? You really are silly.
Yea Tawanda, lets just leave it all as is....let's all collect every penny we can from it. Since T&A is young, we can have it all and bankrupt the funds before she gets any. She likes the status quo so much. America can then look like Greece....is this what you propose T&A? Just use, abuse it, and don't reform it. When its gone its gone? And THEN you can protest! What the hell is your plan. EVEN WARREN BUFFET IS COLLECTING SOCIAL SECURITY, and then claims he should pay more. What an old fool that has lost his mind. Even economic people don't listen to him anymore. He is a has-been.
@WaD: another weapon in the rightwing knuckle-draggers arsenal: when all else fails, rally around the flag and invoke the memories of all those who fought and died for our freedom, as though the republicons own patriotism and nationalism.
Not so fast. Here is a short list of those great freedom loving patriots and standup guys and how they served our country by getting deferrments:
Ted Nugent, who went so far to avoid serving in the military that he defacated in his pants: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/18/cenk-uygur-ted-nugent-literally-crapped-his-pants-over-vietnam-draft/ or the other republicon chickenhawks who love war, provided they can view it from the safety and comfort of their air-conditioned suites:
GWB Cheney Romney Newt McConnell Eric Cantor Santorum The Donald
Rudy Giuliani Dan Quayle Jon Kyl Marco Rubio Fred Thompson Denny Hastert Dick Armey Joe Scarborough Joe Barton and many others
1) You wake up on January 1, 2012 and realize that you have done NOTHING to justify the faith the American people had in you when they elected you.
2) You threaten the Supreme Court and suddenly realize that the rest of America will not back you up. Federal judges lecture you on the relationship between the executive and judicial branch, and assign homework to make sure you get the point.
3) You realize that you are president of a country whose deficit has increased over 53% in the 3 1/2 years you have been in office.
4) You realize that you are president of a country that, for the first time in history, has 42 MILLION living below the poverty line, and that you have done NOTHING to help that situation.
5) You realize that you are president of a country that has the largest number of home foreclosures in history, and that foreclosure rate is about to explode all over again.
6) You realize that the national unemployment rate has exceeded an OFFICIAL rate of 8.2%, and is in excess of 20% when those whose benefits have expired are counted.
7) You realize that your microphone was on when you promised the Russians that you would be "more flexible" to soviet ways after you won the election. Yes, mister president, a LOT of people heard you.
8) You realize that you are president of a country that has awakened to the fact that you are trying to exercise dictatorial powers while bypassing congress and the Supreme Court. Those 34 czars you appointed without congressional approval is starting to irritate the general public, and America is waking up to the fact that you trampled the bill of rights with a little piece of legislation titled NDAA 2012.
That MAY make you happy Tawanda! (I doubt making you happy is possible)... It seems you always like the "dark side" of things..... like republicans dying off!
@WaD, who posted:
That MAY make you happy Tawanda! (I doubt making you happy is possible)... It seems you always like the "dark side" of things..... like republicans dying off!
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would you prefer "extinct " ?
9) You realize that you are president of a country that you have helped to turn into the largest food stamp nation in the world. Mr. President, you have helped to place 1 in 7 Americans on the food stamp program, and you have made ZERO efforts to improve that situation.
10) You realize that you are the president of a country that is trying to unionize all family farms in America, and trying to regulate and control the rights of farm children to grow up learning their family's work values. Trying to institutionalize and destroy agricultural family values is at the top of the list of Marxist doctrines and will not be tolerated in America!!
11) One of your attorneys has spilled the beans about your fake birth certificate, and has entered that information into the court records in New Jersey. Google "obamas-lawyer-alexandra-hill-admits-image-of-obamas-birth-certificate-was-a-forgery"
Conservative rightwing talk show host Heidi Harris calls struggling Americans " dead weight" :http://www.examiner.com/article/radio-host-calls-working-class-americans-dead-weight A complete interview is available on youtube for anyone who has any doubts about what the GOP and their social engineers have in mind.
The rightwing GOP hates struggling and poor folks and there are millions upon millions of once thriving self-sufficient homeowners now dependent on assistance just to put food on their tables and they are everywhere.
The republican CONservatives call them " dead weight " and have proposed legislation to cut food stamps to those multitudes of " dead weight " all in the name of fiscal responsibility and balancing the budget. Meanwhile, these same lawmakers and their radio mouthpieces demand more and more taxpayer subsidies for the wealthy and powerful, including taxpayer subsidies for nuclear power and big oil, whose profits can best be described as obscene. Make no mistake, these CONservatives love taxpayer subsidies but only for their campaign donors.
Real unemployment is closer to 20%. Self employed/independent contractors are not included in Labor Dept. figures. We're nearing the unemployment levels of the great depression of 1929. Some folks are calling this the great depression of 2008+ so how did we get here and what do we do now?
First we must admit that this is indeed a depression and not an " adjustment" or recession. Then we must reflect on how we got to this place where the average American cannot even afford a roof over their heads or food on the table and this did not begin when Obama was elected, so you rightwing amnesia afflicted revisionists of historical facts who care only about power need to step aside and let the adults take charge.
Until we admit what is really going on here, we will not recover. Short list of issues:
admit our dire economic situation and how we got to this place
what we can do as Americans to turn this around
Since we're talking about unemployment, when Bush took office in Jan 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%. When he left office in Jan 2009, the rate had almost doubled and was at 7.8%
President Obama has been as successful as he could be. The entire housing industry was nearly destroyed by greed and stupid moves from both sides of Congress. All industries connected to home building and sales was decimated by the banking crisis. This was not Obama's doing. His efforts actually buffered the worst of the situation, yet the Republicans in their desire to weaken the President have striven to stifle any move he's made. The bulk of the damage happened under Bush (a fact that angers the right to a point of mocking any who mention it!) , yet it was the financial mismanagement of two wars that left us unable to deal effectively with the impending recession. The Republican party's Orwellian desire to rewrite history seems to be working with the those who's intellectual curiosity is underdeveloped, yet the facts remain.
What most people have yet to realize is that the Republican cause has a long term desire at play here. Whoever wins the 2012 Presidential race will be appointing, maybe 3 Justices. This will affect the direction for of the US for decades, much as the conservative leaning court is now doing. A liberal court is such a bogey man to the right, that any effort to defeat Obama is in the playbook.
Oh and while we're at it; Thank you President Obama for lowering the gas prices in recent weeks. Since your detractors claim that you are the person who caused the prices to go up, it stands to reason that you're the one who brought them down. Thanks!
LOL....23.9 cents!!!!!! Will you remember that you said he is repsonsible if gas prices go up again? I am really glad they are down the 23.9 cents per gallon though. That makes all the differnece in the world compared to the gazillion (Tawanda's word) cents it went up!!!.
@Ken: when GWB .. ooops I mean President Cheney..was in office, job loss was over 500,000 a month. Then came the 20+Trillion dollar bankster bailouts and it was curtains for America. Sort of like being run over by a train and then thrown under a bus all at once.
The revisionists on the right seem to "forget" these facts. They have also claimed Obama bailed out the banksters and not GWB et al. Now thats a spinmeister hard at work, except many of us were there and our memories are sharp as the knives the GOP now wants to stick in the backs of the human casulties of the failed policies of the GOP: the working poor and those who need help just to survive.
Tawanda you haven’t changed. First of all you ignore and refuse to answer any questions posed to you. As we all recall that’s why you left the last debate in a huff (GROAN) and refused to say anymore <Tawanda stomps her feet and slams the door> LOL.
Second of all, you accuse others of posting a gazillion posts. Looks like to me you are the one with a gazillion posts…..We do know that is intended to suppress anyone else’s thoughts and ideas. Right up your alley hypocrite (a rank one). I love that line and you use it a LOT. How many zero’s in a gazillion? Never mind, you won’t answer any questions posed to you anyway. (Continued)
Continued @ Tawanda..........Next, why are you such a self-absorbed, hateful, spiteful, and race baiter? IE…Tawanda says in various posts… ”except the useful idiots of the 1%”; ”sorry clueless bunch”; ” cannot accept a non-white as head of America”…FYI ALL (Tawanda is ALWAYS the first to inject RACE into ANY and ALL debates because this is all she has or knows. She has beaten her own record and injected race here in day one or two. She just can’t help herself). Besides that, isn’t Mr. Obama half-white? If anyone disagrees, call them racist or “suggest” they can’t stand seeing a non-white in office. You really are angry with the world aren’t you and you have some real issues Tawanda. SAD that this is what YOU always resort to. Nothing new here. Anyway, let’s continue. “rightwing knuckle-draggers”; ” republicons”; ” CONservatives”; ” rightwing amnesia afflicted revisionists”…you must be all fun at the party, (really? NO, not really!) It’s funny because I love to get you going and you never fail to show me what you are made of. It really is amusing. Go get those left wing site posts and keep on posting. Maybe it will make you feel better.
@WaD who posted:" LOL at the wambulance part. I used that on you in the last debate. You heard it here first. UNoriginal T&A. Short memory too. Brilliant idiot?
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<snif snif> you are shattering my..my confidence and my..my very fragile sense of self worth..
Hurry, call the waaambulance !
Wonder how many additional investigators Sheriff Joe Arapio had to hire in order that he may cater to the extreme wacko wing of his party...hmmm..Maybe thats what the cons meant when they float the term " job creation " and all this time I thought they were opposed to bigger government
When it comes to creating detractions and deflections, there is simply nothing they won't t do, no matter how ridiculous and wasteful.Why not just vote in November for that Wilber the jobs killer guy and try and convince everyone else why they should, as well.
An imploding economy, a housing meltdown, homelessness, veterans without proper medical care, working families unable to afford food for their kids, Wall Street still gambling and without regulation, corruption, massive unemployment, social unrest and I am just getting started with the problems facing America and what are the republicons response to all of this ?
To defeat Obama and stop him from implementing his policies. This has been the republicons objective from the day Obama was sworn in.
To gift the powerful and wealthy with more taxpayer subsidies and tax breaks, going so far as to hold congress hostage to get their campaign donors taxpayer money while thumbing their noses at the hungry and homeless.
To demand that foreign energy companies be allowed to drill baby drill with no regard for the impact this is having on our enviornment, especially our water supply, and to call these looters and pillagers " jobs creators "
To add insult to injury, the republicons openly refer to struggling Americans as
" dead weight..losers, bums, whiners, lazy, welfare queens " when they ask for some help. The cons are too busy representing their real constituents, the rich and powerful who plan to remain the rich and powerful on the backs of everyone else.
Please tell me why any sane person would vote republicon?
@WaD:
Tawanda deletes/reposts when there are spelling or grammer errors. You are free to filter me or ignore me. I promise not to call the waaaaambulance if you do.
@ Tawanda.....does your cape evr get tucked in your outside superhero underwear after you o to the bathroom? I asked you many questions first. You need to answer first.....LOL @ Superhero!
Ive compared your emails. There must be something else because the posts are identical and within seconds (in the same minute) of each other...are you on Patch probation. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww. To bad. Anyway, you like using words like "desparate", "lame", etc. Talking points, BS. Gonna take your ball and run again? Never come back..... Vote for Romney because he supports capitalism. Now answer my questions. DO NOT respond to his and AVOID answering all my questions above. And no BS left wing sites....
You believe in take from the rich and give to the poor. Yeah, that's fair. A real incentive to get ahead. I make < 70K per year and am not one of the 1%, but I am one of the 99% that represents hard work and capitalism. Now you, Ms Lame one, desperate to avoid answering questions, use you rdiversionary tactics, entertain me. You are a big, fake, misguided boob. I'll bet you were the hall monitor in school too. And please, you are getting boorish so come up with something new or you won't be entertaining to all these people....LOL. You are a lame dame.....hardly worth the effort. YAWN. I think I'll go to bed.
Since you brought up the issue of unemployment, do you care to address the fact that unemployment almost doubled from the time GWB took office until he left? What excuse/explanation do you have for that?
@ Ken 9:58 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012; You are mistaken. I did NOT BRING UP unemployemnt. I only offered web sites from the Bureau of Labor Statistics so everyone could have official government information without the demogogery (sp) that was occuring.
@ Ken,
Just to be clear.............I wasn't involved in your discussion except to provide data. Why? Are you trying to suck me into something? Why do you want to know what I agree with? I was never talking to you.
Probably because it helps to determine if you are worth listening to in the future, based on whether or not you agree with documented historical facts, or not.
Silly me. Got goaded into replying by Tawanda saying "If Tawanda was a betting person, Tawanda would bet that you will not get a reply.". I do know I don't understand what the heck you are saying....you know I am not a communist or a socialist. Do you know any communists that vote Republican?
Oh, shoot, diversions. You still NEVER answered ANY of my questions. If Tawanda was a betting women she knows she WON"T. She has no courage. She has never made a bet in her life.
The Avenegers was dynamite at the box office. Why is T&A (Tawanda Avenger ((Laughable)) are you such a fizzler, a dud, a flop? Oh well, you wont answer this after 5 requests for answers on this string I know better. You never answered the other debate then went away like the mope you are after literally dozens of requests. Must be attention span.
Tawanda....looks like your 99%'ers are stabbing the police now. Sad. They must have issues. I know you are so supportive of this group and you relate so well to them that you are encouraging this behavior. Better call a real ambulance.
@ Tim who said, "Probably because it helps to determine if you are worth listening to in the future........................". You just sealed the deal. I don't care whether you think "I'm worth listening to or not".
If I join in on your string you can decide then or you can ignore me. As far as I'm concerned, you just demonstrated you would not be worth debating because you probably like to deal in "got ya's". You've probably already made up your mind and I owe you no answers.
I'm not the one who initially asked you the question. So no, you don't owe me any answers.
Accusing the person who did ask you a rather straightforward question of trying to 'pull' you into a discussion that you already have freely joined into, is a little illogical though.
Misusing the term demagoguery, isn't helping your point. There are no prejudices involved with you posting historical employment data, and you then being asked what the trend of it was during a certain time frame. Asking you a question is not demagoguery, by definition. On a base level, It is asking you if you are able to correctly recognize the historical facts in the world around you.
Lets remove any names, and just use very impersonal dates and figures.
What was the comparative change, and its direction, in the unemployment rate from 01/2001 to 01/2009?
No names mentioned, nothing but a question of measurement and vector of a comparison between two numbers over a specified time frame.
It's right there in the chart. Please draw your own conclusions. I did not enter the conversation so you are wrong again.
Re. Demagog is to use impassioed rhetoric in nationalistic or populist discussion, which was what the others were doing. I supplied a chart to show the facts, freeing the "impassioned rhetoric" and pointing them toward the facts. It was totally appropriate usae of the word as there discussion was getting heated and going nowhere. Facts were given and, and as I said, I did not enter the conversation. Please stop stalking others that are attempting NOT to have a conversation with you.
@WaD, who posted <snipped>
Please stop stalking others that are attempting NOT to have a conversation with you.
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wow. this definitely qualifies for the most bizarre reply to a legitimate question I have yet to see on any Patch blog.
why not just admit what everyone else here knows, and that is you cannot answer the question so you create a diversion in that you are somehow the victim of stalking ? that is just plain nuts but so typical of the rightwing apologists
What kind of personality comes on a discussion board and then gets mad at those trying to have a discussion, and ask questions, about a post that he himself made?
I'm not sure whether to feel pity, or amusement, for that mindset.
@Tim who posted <snipped>What kind of personality comes on a discussion board and then gets mad at those trying to have a discussion, and ask questions, about a post that he himself made
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A person who is clearly attempting to dominate and control the direction and flow of the discussion with their profound ignorance and narrow world views.
Under the Cheney/Bush administration, jobs were disappearing at a rate of 500,000 a month toward the end of his reign. Lost jobs means no money in which to stimulate the economy which lead to even more job losses. This in turn has affected nearly every segment of our economy. Many of these lost jobs will never return and the over 50 boomers have been particularly hard hit. Recently congressional hearings and testimony told the story of the formerly employed over 50 unable to find work and the rampant age discrimination occuring. Ask any out of work boomer how many resumes they fire off and how many calls for interviews are received from employers:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/age-discrimination-unemployment_n_1518591.html The over 50 unemployed have lost their homes, medical insurance, savings and in many cases, their hope. Many rely on food stamps just to survive while they continue on their odyssey of trying to find gainful employment in an economy which doesn't seem to want older workers.
The republicon view of society is that of a perpetual struggle which they believe exists in nature in which the old and weak are cast aside in favor of the young and strong and if you cannot make it on your own resources or wits, too bad. You are disqualified and disenfranchised. You are what conservative Heidi Harris referred to as " dead weight " and you are given a symbolic Viking funeral.
Except if you are wealthy and powerful. Then you are given corporate welfare.
(cont) Corporate welfare. Survival of the financially fittest. The idea that if taxpayers reward the very wealthy, they will in turn re-reward by creating jobs.
So where are the jobs ? Now the receipients of corporate welfare and special tax subsidies insist that the real problem is that there are too many regulations keeping them from creating jobs and if there were no regulations, they could create jobs.
No regulations ? Like the no regulations which has permitted 40+billion to essentially "disappear" into thin air in the last few weeks ? Next arguement from the jobs creators/extortionists ? " if the sun set in the east rather in the west, we could create jobs.."
The republicon answer to all this is to focus their energies on hurting the most vulnerable members of our society. Our society. Did you catch that word ? We are not a for-profit entity where you are either "dead weight" or a consumer. We are a society of people, not liabilities as Romney sees the over 50 unemployed.
It appears to me that you have taken a shellacking. You will in time get over it and return to your favorite pasttime of posting drivel and gross inaccuracies.
T&A....if that is a shellacking you are a pretty weak state of mind. STILL avoiding answering any questions posed to you? Thats diversion. You went away for good the last time Tawanda. Is trhat what you'll do again Missy? Hey, hows your business going anyway?
Is there really someting, anything to get over? You are a real laugh a minute. I love messing with you Tawanda. You are really clueless! Pasttime.....sp.....drivel....love that word. Are you a super blogger.....?
Hey Tawanda, where were you yesterday? Did you have to get someone at the Huffington Post to get you info and type the words into a presentable fashion for you? I see you are still double posting too. Pathetic.
@ Tim who posted on
11:12 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
It doesn't matter what kind of a personality comes to the board. Plenty of lurkers here. In fact after Tawanda ran off and cried a few weeks back a couple of her friends watching, joined in after 200 posts. And about getting mad. No, I am not mad at Ken, Just couldn't understand after multiple requests why he kept at it. I politely (not madly) asked him to leave me out of the conversation. But he continued to harrass.
Tell me, what kind of a person continues to harrass after being asked multiple times not to? I only kept responding to him to be courteous. Oh, and I did NOT make any posts. You are incorrect again. I added a chart similar to a post that you made with a chart. In fact it was the same chart.
I am not amused at the posts you and Tawanda make. They are hateful, name calling, and condescending. Typical liberal personality. Hey, ask T&A to answer the questions too. You and Ken were ask me and she gets a free ride. Double standard. I'm SURE you've seen the requests. She got a real free ride a couple weeks back on a 200+ post string. Never answered a single question from multiple people. She posts hateful rhetoric but never answers. Are you amused or feel pity toward Tawanda? No, I didn't think so. It's different I'm sure. Give her a shellacking!! She knows what a real sheallacking is. She got hit with 10 barrells a few weeks back. It was pathetic.
No name calling? "Typical Liberal Personality"? Who are you referring to specifically? People with liberal beliefs are not the enemy, they are Americans who disagree with your opinion. I'm liberal leaning and some of my good friends are Tea Party members. This basic hatred is a tool of divisiveness used by the monied interests in DC. Failure to attempt to understand the basis for your opponents ideas before attacking him is not correct. Attack ideas, not the people. Your method of communication may open some eyes to something that they haven't considered before. For instance, a Tea Party friend of mine was going on about the President once. I corrected one point, and grudgingly agreed on another, then both of us brought up the fact of how most of the problems come from unbridled lobbyists and their money weakening true democracy. We parted while still friends. We can agree to disagree while finding common ground, it's the true American way.
@Olddeegee who posted <snipped> For instance, a Tea Party friend of mine was going on about the President once. I corrected one point, and grudgingly agreed on another, then both of us brought up the fact of how most of the problems come from unbridled lobbyists and their money weakening true democracy. We parted while still friends. We can agree to disagree while finding common ground, it's the true American way.
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many of us consider ourselves the origional tea party in that we saw the money influence buying and corrupting our democracy but because we would not walk lockstep with the tea party hijackers on the right, we we labelled " communists..marxists..socialists.."
Meanwhile, in case you missed this news story hot off the press:
GOP group calls for armed revolution if Obama is re-elected:
To call for the overthrow of a duly elected government is treasonous and anti-American. None of this surprises me, as the violent hateful rhetoric has been flowing like lava from the right wingnuts since Obaba was sworn in.
Guess all those patriots will be busy in the upcoming months dusting off their single shot rifles and polishing their codpieces....
Unresponsible Tawanda the Transgender....I mean Avenger. Did you see the disclaimer at the bottom you big dope?
disclaimer at the bottom of the publication attempts to account for this type of rhetoric, noting that the contributors do "not reflect the opinion of the Republican Party whole or in part" and are only representative of the "individual" -- in this case, the editor himself.
That means all your fear-mongering and your total article are based on the writings of ONE man. Oh, better hide the guns.
@ olddeegee...yes, as long as the debate is civil and respectful. Many are not and any civility that did exist, then disappears on both sides. Many times now and in the past I have been attacked, many of the attacks resort to worse than condescending. It happens on both sides and I think we know who some of the worst offenders are and who usually throws the first grenade. You keep it civil and so will I. You want to use unsavory rhetoric, terms like cons, etc., then that person deserves the same. Some people will stoop to the others level and I usually find certain people fun to agitate after they get it going. Can't always help with certain people. Some of the sites quoted are also hateful and I don't place much confidence in some websites that are determined to destroy the other side at any cost. They spew vitriol, they bend things out of context, and would like to make one small person or one small group representative of the whole (other) side. Some people also hold double standards. Gotta go, I am at work, but think you would agree with most of this wouldn't you?
Simply because somebody "spews vitriol", it's no excuse to lower yourself to that level. Stick to facts, point out opinions as such, and maybe, just maybe, we can come to some agreement here. As a student of history it's becoming painfully obvious to me that our country hasn't been this divided since the late 1850s. Obama's not dividing us. It's the think-tanks and Frank Luntz's of the world who specialize in talking points and catchy misnomers. Again, this is my considered opinion. As a voter since 1974, I've seen, and learned much.
IE...second post from this string came in this fashion...."that's why they're the useful idiots and the name is so appropriate"....civil? Idiot may be common, but unsavory in the context of this forum but it is soooooooo common. Thats all it takes sometimes.
@olddeegee.............I only do with a certain person.....need a hint. It appears I am older than you and have seen much as well. I can agree that this country is more divided than I have EVER seen. Even thru 60's civil unrest and the Viet Nam war. There are a LOT of reasons we are divided. We can probably agree on some but not all. Some things bad, are good, some things good are bad. I am at work and will leave it at that. I think you should talk to some your people on your side of the aisle though as well, and ask them to cool the rhetoric as well. Otherwise, it would appear you are not sincere in your expression and are only targeting those whose ideology does not agree with yours. That is hypocritical.
Looks like the Oldee is quiet....does not want to confront his colleagues he shares ideology with. Only scolds others with his refined articulation (is that a word?), education, and legendary superiority? Just like T&A. Don't answer. Ignore and change the subject to something else. I thought you were reasonable, but, this time I was wrong! No excuses please. Done.
@What a Deal! who posted <snip>
2:09 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
@olddeegee.............I only do with a certain person.....need a hint.
~~~
I thought you CONservatives were big on personal responsibility. The truth is that you lash out because you have no convincing arguement or logical talking points.
You have been confronted with educated, intelligent and articulate posters here and you cannot stand it. It is you who becomes irrational and doesn't own up.
Whatever *message* you are trying to get across becomes lost in this wall of noise you create as a detraction/distraction. Did you learn that in politics 101: how to handle opposing views ?
You have my permission to ignore my posts but you choose not to and become quite irratrional. All I know is that if someone caused me to wig out, I would avoid them and their message, so don't blame me for your behavior or response to your personal trigger issues.
Look how you scolded another poster for " stalking you " ? You didn't own up to that either.
You really are clueless aren't you? Scolded? LOL @ that. Waiting for answers. I see you and Olddeegee both go quiet and avoid answers and then go off and make comments about how brilliant and articulate and calm you all are. Thle only degree you have is 98.6......and i think its really hotter n the head. It's obvious you are off your meds.....You are laughable and wrong. You've overdosed on the Kool-Aid. Because you are sincerely cluless is why you are laughable. You aren't worth the time because you, like the President, recycle old stuff, nothiong new, no ideas, nothing original. Quite a joke. When you think they are laughinmg with you, thing again....OldDeeGee likes to lecture. He is a teacher, a student of history, He's a history teacher. When he's asked about applying the rules evenly he disappears. And he knows it. He was asked questions but never answered them either. Neither o f you have answers. Only a misplaced superiority complex and silence on direct questions. Sounds like some of the teachers I had.
And then I read it again. And i see you are not only cluless, you are naive.....when i said I only do that with a certain person, yes, that person is you. But I don't get wigged out. I am actually giving you pushes and nudges and a hard timne because you fly off so easily and go on your rants posting from the HP and other far left web sites. I think it's funny and you are sooooooooooooo predictable. I know exactly what buttons to push with you. And now when I read it again and you think YOU are causing ME to "wig out", be "irrational"...I am really rolling on the floor laughing my butt off at you! Geez. You really don't get it! You have the hair trigger and I have never, and never would blame you for personal trigger issues. I don't have any....OMG, am I turning red. This is funny. The more I write and think about this I have to go because I am really cracking a gut on this.......you bring a new meaning to naive! Good night and good bye!!! It has been sooooo much fun screwing with the clueless!!!!!!!!!!!LMFAO.....
What a Deal, who loves his country says..."Thanks to the Veterans of the United Staes of America. We have so much to thank you for.".
Tawanda the Avenger says...Tawanda The Avenger
12:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
"another weapon in the rightwing knuckle-draggers arsenal: when all else fails, rally around the flag and invoke the memories of all those who fought and died for our freedom, as though the republicons own patriotism and nationalism."
Does she thank you for your freedom or use it as a crutch to defend her positions?
@WaD: I suspect there is a lot more going on with you than your rigid uncompromising beliefs and complete lack of tolerance for the opinions of others.
You are big on projection and not owning up. There are strong indicators of paranoia, as well. You simply must be correct all of the time about everything and you must have the last word.
This is not about reaching any common ground and moving on from there, as Olddeegee suggested but rather, it's about demonizing anyone who doesn't agree with your world views and mocking them.
You are a hostile person and part of the problem, not the solution.
@ Tawanda..........you must have felt like you were looking directly in a mirror at yourself when you wrote that didn't you? I do not know how you can say that with a straight face! Is that the last word or are you gonna keep it going? I see you ignored all my recent posts and wuestions to. Hard to find a "common ground" when you REFUSE to answer any questions. It is always a one way exchange on the answer end! You are always silent. Hard to mount an argument to defend radical ideals. Oh, and don't put yourself on the same platform as OldDeeGee, Tim, or Ken...When it comes to calm, logic, articulate commentary. You are not even in the minor league compared t them. WShen you come, they leave.
@ Tawanda..........you must have felt like you were looking directly in a mirror at yourself when you wrote that didn't you? I do not know how you can say that with a straight face! Is that the last word or are you gonna keep it going? I see you ignored all my recent posts and questions to. Hard to find a "common ground" when you REFUSE to answer any questions. It is always a one way exchange! Hardly an exchange of ideas or opinions. You are always silent on any questions. Hard to mount an argument to defend radical ideals. Oh, and don't put yourself on the same platform or level as OldDeeGee, Tim, or Ken...When it comes to calm, logic, articulate commentary. You are not in the same league....not even in the minor league compared to them. When you come to the conversation, they leave. Paranoia? Now you have a degree in psych? 98.6 is your only degree.
@WaD who posted on this snippette on Friday May 25th @ 9:24pm: <snipped>
Good night and good bye!!! It has been sooooo much fun screwing with the clueless!!!!!!!!!!!LMFAO.....
~~~~
you are not interested in much of anything except seeking out people on political blogs to demonize and mock and why ?
because you are not interested in solving the problems facing America and why ?
because you are lazy, ignorant and inadequate and you are here only for a distraction and cheap thrill and to " screw with the clueless " as you so eloquently put it.
you are not the least interested in a dialogue or finding real solutions but rather you are here for your pathetic narcissistic need for attention and entertainment and that is all.
thank you for outing yourself; that wasn't so hard, was it ?
.. has been sooooo much fun screwing with the clueless!!!!!!!!!!!LMFAO....."
Thanks Tawanda...and don't forget to take your meds. Looks like that one really drove you over the edge! Take your hurt feelings and leave and this will be the last word!!! You are pathetic and pitiful.....get a life...
Oh, and you are also as unoriginal as it gets......you do re-cycle, at least in your writing. Just can't help myself......ROFLMFAO at Tawanda the Transgender!
@ Susan.......you got it backwatds. Funny how two people can arrive at completely opposite observations. At least What A Deal answers her questions and admits he was screwing with her. All Tawanda does is avoids answering ANY questions and posts from all the far left (unbiased?) ;-) websites on anything, pertinent or not, that she finds. She really brings no substance to the argument. For that she gets thumbs down and the Conservative wins on technical merit. WAD 10 / Tawanda - ZERO
@ Lars...Susan IS Tawanda the Avenger. She did the EXACT same thing a few weeks back on a 200 post string.....waits until Tawanda sign off and then comes in to defend her. Who knows where the heck she is though when the bullets are flying. No where to be seen. As Tawanda repeats herself in comments, so does Susan. Almost the exact same statements a few weeks back. T&A has multiple persaonalities, just more proof she is off her meds.....she has multiple screen names....pretty soon there will be a few more name callers joining in against me....oh well. It is Tawanda is trying desparately to get in the last word.....she should realize as a new person comes that is all it takes to keep me going. And I may have said I am "screwing" with T&A as you did, but really, all I am doing is pressing her buttons. They are easy to find and easy to press....
Contraception, an issue created out of thin air. An issue that not only wasn’t an issue, but nobody and I mean nobody was talking about it… until 1/7/2012. That’s when George Stephanopoulos asked this question, “Governor Romney, do you believe that states have the right to ban contraception? Or is that trumped by a constitutional right to privacy?“ WTF? Where did that come from? Now we know.
http://nobamazone.com/
The New Party was the creation of the quasi-Marxist Democratic Socialists of America
(DSA) and the radical community organization ACORN. The Communist Party splinter group Committees of Correspondence (CoC) was also involved.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/obamacrimescom/
If Romney’s record in private equity is fair game, then so is Obama’s record in public equity — and that record is not pretty. Raser Technologies. In 2010, the Obama administration gave Raser a $33 million taxpayer-funded grant to build a power plant in Beaver Creek, Utah. According to the Wall Street Journal, after burning through our tax dollars, the company filed for bankruptcy protection in 2012. The plant now has fewer than 10 employees, and Raser owes $1.5 million in back taxes.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2012/05/25/forget-bain-%e2%80%94-obama%e2%80%99s-public-equity-record-is-the-real-scandal/
It's all there so IT MUST BE TRUE right Tawanda? Just because it doesn't come from the Huffington Post.....there are more!! LMFAO @ Tawanda.
"I believe you are Tawanda The Avenger and this a clever game you are engaged in to what end I am unsure".
That is such a stolid statement I am short of words and this could be the last word!!! LMAO at you. Let's come up with something that, at least, makes a little bit of sense! You really are stretching aren't you.....I'm not sure either, what end that would achieve...and to call it clever, well, I guess amusement comes easily to the feeble minded.
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John Moreli
9:14 am on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Romney has my vote! Get Odumba the socialist Muslim out of office!
Roy Rumaner
12:13 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
I find it sad that people still believe this crap but then I look at the person posting it and realize that he is an idiot and actually feel sorry for him. John, why don't you just come out and admit you are a racist, it would be so much easier.
Tawanda The Avenger
10:14 am on Sunday, May 20, 2012
The GOP candidates are a sorry and disfunctional lot of rank hypocrites with no backbone and will do and say anything to get elected.
Michele Bachmann, the great bloviator against government subsidies and handouts has herself been the beneficiary of hundreds upon thousands of taxpayer subsidies and so has her husband Marcus:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/26/nation/la-na-bachmann-20110626
Meanwhile Newt Gingrich's campaign creditors wonder if they will get paid since Newt's campaign bounced a 500.00 check to the State Of Utah:
http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm
Fiscally responsible faithful husband and paid lobbyist for the mortgage giants, it's getting hard to see who takes first place in the rank hypocrite of the year contest.
(continued)
John Moreli
10:16 am on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Since Odumba took office, unemployment has doubled and he has spent the most money faster than any other President in our history! Time to dumb the socialist Muslim!
Tim
11:00 am on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Let me help you out with some actual facts;
When Obama took office, unemployment was 7.8% and rapidly rising due to the financial collapse that happened the previous year.
Currently, it is 8.1%, and falling.
That is 'doubling'?
Under Obama Private Sector Payroll jobs grew;
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5JcSckHTfrc/T2XtCEct4qI/AAAAAAAAMeA/v-oNO300RIQ/s1600/PrivateSectorBushObama.jpg
and Public Sector(govt jobs) shrank;
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8RGXtqGo5Pc/T2XtCGI2SuI/AAAAAAAAMeI/4VK5fS3A-KU/s1600/PublicSectorBushObama.jpg
The US budget is controlled by the Congress, not the president. Currently, the house appropriations committee is Republican led. Under the structure of our government, bills that become law originate in the House before being sent to the senate and voted on. Only then, does it go to the president to sign into law.
Being that you don't understand how government works, on such a basic level, it is no surprise you are misusing the word 'socialist'.
Olddeegee
12:15 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Time to "dumb" him? Why is the insane right so insistently inarticulate? These people actually believe that the the state of being "over-educated" exists. Why is our country seemingly latching onto cluelessness as an attribute? Being uninformed is not a state to strive for.
Tawanda The Avenger
5:01 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Olddeegee posted:
Time to "dumb" him? Why is the insane right so insistently inarticulate? These people actually believe that the the state of being "over-educated" exists. Why is our country seemingly latching onto cluelessness as an attribute? Being uninformed is not a state to strive for.
~~~
that's why they're the useful idiots and the name is so appropriate.
John Moreli
6:51 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Tim when Bush left office unemployment was 5.5 % and now it's almost 9.9%! Time to dump Odumba!
Tim
8:23 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
The day Barack Obama took office;
"January 20th, 2009 Unemployment Rate - 7.6 Percent and sharply rising"
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_02062009.pdf
"May 2012 Unemployment Rate - 8.1% and falling.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
There is no way John is real. He must be an online troll. Nobody can be that willfully ignorant of reality.
What a Deal!
9:04 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Since these poor economic times have been so prolonged unemployment does not tell the wholde story. You have to look at unemployment and underemployment. Here is a link from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics that tells the rest of the story. Unemployment and underemployment. This is a no bullshit look at what is going on and it isn't pretty. Nice that some people will conveniently forget about underemployed people due to the duration of this recession, the longest in history.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
What a Deal!
9:23 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Tim, you are totally wrong on the budget process....here is the opening orf the process and then i will give you alink that outlines the whole process including spending.
The President, according to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, must submit a budget to Congress each year. In its current form, federal budget legislation law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a)) specifies that the President submit a budget between the first Monday in January and the first Monday in February. In recent times, the President's budget submission, entitled Budget of the U.S. Government, has been issued in the first week of February. Thus, President George W. Bush submitted the FY2007 budget in February 2006. The President's budget submission, along with supporting documents and historical budget data, can be found at the Office of Management and Budget's (OMB) website. The President's budget contains detailed information on spending and revenue proposals, along with policy proposals and initiatives with significant budgetary implications.
For more look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_budget_process
I think you need the history lesson....do you recall this years budget submitted by the President was overwhelmingly shot down by both sides of the aisle? Get your facts straight if you are going to dictate to others. As was last years. Why have theDems never passed a budget when they controlled the President, the congress, and the senate? Sure wasn't (Republican) obstructionism.
John Moreli
9:29 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Wrong Tim! Here is the unemployment for Bush and Odumba! Notice how the numbers sharply increase when Odumba took Office! Bush 2001/09, Odumba 2009/11
2001 4.7
2002 5.8
2003 6.0
2004 5.5
2005 5.1
2006 4.6
2007 4.6
2008 5.8
2009 9.3
2010 9.6
2011 8.9
Tim
9:57 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
I noticed that unemployment was higher at the end of GW Bush's presidency, than it was at the beginning. So what's your problem with Obama again?
I like how you picked the numbers randomly though. It almost looks like the financial crisis of 2008 never happened. Did you forget about it already?
Then again, since you don't include a source for your ramblings, we can all easily dismiss them.
John Moreli
10:23 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Tim learn something! The figures are directly from the US dept. of labor!
What a Deal!
10:35 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Here...Johns estimate on unemployment that you want to dismiss is actually very close. Here is alink to the Beaureau of Labor Statistics on unemployment (NO UNDEREMPLOYMENT ADDED). and you hgave access to a user defined period of time at the top. Pick your years. Heres the link. Definitely downhill under President Obama...
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
What a Deal!
10:36 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
PS Look at the bottom of the page at the excel chart...
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
Tim
11:09 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
actually pretty close?
That chart says exactly what I already typed, and linked to.
January 2009, when Obama took office, 7.8%
Now, 8.1%
0.3% is not 'doubling'.
It is nowhere near the 5.5% claimed that it was in the past. And it is nowhere near the 9.9% that it is claimed to be now.
Comparing 'underemployed' is a whole other discussion, that has nothing to do with the fact that neither John, nor you, seem to be able to match up dates in history with their corresponding numbers on a chart.
What a Deal!
9:48 am on Monday, May 21, 2012
@Tim (11:09 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012)...I never made any claims. I only provided you an actual chart from the government. Do not make those accusations. And I know underemploment is a separate issue. I brought it up, stated it, and put it out there. The fact you either do not want or won't discuss it says volumes. You lose the argument when you pick and choose the argument you will only have. These underemployment numbers are historical.
Tawanda The Avenger
10:23 am on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Then there is Herman Cain, another corporate raider and bankster who cannot seem to own up to his long pattern of sexually harrassing women in a workplace enviornment. Message to Herman: when scores of women come forward with the same story and your lawyers secretly settle, blame yourself !
Now onto the GOP's official regulator of the cha-cha's, Rick Santorum, who said he was pro-choice all his life..until he ran for congress. Hows that for convenience:
tp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/rick-santorum-abortion_n_1291634.html
Rick Santorums foreign and domestic policies can be wrapped up in one sentence:
regulate cha-cha's and ban birth control.Bye-bye Rick. You were born in the wrong century.
Last but not least, there is the chosen one, Romney, who has stated that he can't talk about his plan for America because he will lose the election:
http://www.thenewsburner.com/2012/03/26/mitt-romney-i-cant-tell-you-what-i-will-do-because-ill-lose/
Now that is scarey but Romney was chosen by the rich and powerful to do their bidding. Romney is the candidate of the 1% and that, too is scarey. Romney denounces Obamacare but himself passed an identical healthcare act while governer of Mass. He has become wealthy beyond imagination by killing jobs for Americans and keeps money in off shore banks. His economic policies are the same as the policies of GWB complete with taxpayer handouts to the 1% on the backs of everyone else.
Vote republican ? Now that's comical.
What a Deal!
10:39 am on Sunday, May 20, 2012
@ Tawanda...read the news. those "other" candidates are out. It is down to Romney. And all you can do is recite talking points. His policies are not the same as GWB. Obama has taken a lead from Bush's economic and national security policies. No ideas of his own.
You are hijacking the cartoon as you always do. This same thing happened between Obama and Hilary. Everyone conveniently forgets that including Chuck.
And if being part of the 1% is all you got, God Bless capitalism.
Have you ever seen a communist vote Republican? They are affiliated with labor and socialism. That is argument enough for me and don't go citing an anecdotal article from some left winged web site. We Know your tactics dear!
Tawanda The Avenger
5:06 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
< super GROAN> here comes a gazillion of replies from WaD or the screen name du jour. Tawanda does know how to smoke out those useful idiots of the 1% !
What a Deal!
9:08 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
I saw a bumper sticker the other day too Tawanda. It said, "does anyone know a communist that ever voted Republican?".
And please, keep the "<groans>" in your own house Ms. T&A....
What a Deal!
9:09 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Tawanda is a Legend....in her own mind! For the rest of us, we know where her and her filthy mouth are coming from..
Tawanda The Avenger
12:14 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@WaD: Romneys policies mirror those of GWB/Cheney and we all know where that has lead to..except the useful idiots of the 1%. They are a sorry clueless bunch who do not mind being used to promote a campaign of misrepresentation and personal attacks, and why ? Because they cannot accept a non-white as head of America.
Tawanda The Avenger
10:03 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@WaD, who posted:
I saw a bumper sticker the other day too Tawanda. It said, "does anyone know a communist that ever voted Republican?".
~~~
when unable to respond intelligently or rationally, call people communists. or socialists. or Muslims socialists. or Marxists.
next up in the rightwing arsenal of deflection tactics: accuse the 99% of waging class warfare on the 1% <lol> stay tuned
What a Deal!
10:31 am on Sunday, May 20, 2012
This is NOT uncharted territory...remember the Dems in "08". They were here where we are...Read this:
http://www.blnz.com/news/2008/08/27/impassioned_call_unity_8264.html
my opinion
12:39 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Just waiting for one more endorsement.....Mr. President???
Tawanda The Avenger
5:15 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Car in front of me yesterday at a stop light. 2 bumper stickers on either side of his tidy compact vehicle. One read " Go Around Me, I Am Retired " and the other bumper sticker read " I Can Take Care Of Myself, That's Why I Am A Republican " As I got alongside him, I noticed an older white haired man going about his business and all I could think was if it were not for his monthly social security check and medicare benefits, he would likely be swimming in some deep and stinky doo-doo.
Does this republican know that other republicans consider social security and medicare " socialistic " and unconstitutional and that they want deep cuts and/or privatization ? Is he even remotely aware that his fellow republicans have had social security in their crosshairs for many years without the slightest regard as to how our elderly will survive ?
Perhaps Mr. Retired Republican should add another bumper sticker to his car, one which reads " Ignorance Is Bliss "
What a Deal!
9:14 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
He is probably a veteran that fought for your freedom....but then I suppose you respect no one, and anyone who disagrees with you. You pose a lot of hypothetical questions (ie. Does this republican know that other republicans consider social security and medicare " socialistic " and unconstitutional and that they want deep cuts and/or privatization ? Is he even remotely aware that his fellow republicans have had social security in their crosshairs for many years without the slightest regard as to how our elderly will survive ?" regarding this elderly gentleman. Do you know the answers or are you just telling everyone what you think is the basolute truth? You really are silly.
What a Deal!
10:15 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Yea Tawanda, lets just leave it all as is....let's all collect every penny we can from it. Since T&A is young, we can have it all and bankrupt the funds before she gets any. She likes the status quo so much. America can then look like Greece....is this what you propose T&A? Just use, abuse it, and don't reform it. When its gone its gone? And THEN you can protest! What the hell is your plan. EVEN WARREN BUFFET IS COLLECTING SOCIAL SECURITY, and then claims he should pay more. What an old fool that has lost his mind. Even economic people don't listen to him anymore. He is a has-been.
Tawanda The Avenger
12:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@WaD: another weapon in the rightwing knuckle-draggers arsenal: when all else fails, rally around the flag and invoke the memories of all those who fought and died for our freedom, as though the republicons own patriotism and nationalism.
Not so fast. Here is a short list of those great freedom loving patriots and standup guys and how they served our country by getting deferrments:
Ted Nugent, who went so far to avoid serving in the military that he defacated in his pants: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/18/cenk-uygur-ted-nugent-literally-crapped-his-pants-over-vietnam-draft/
or the other republicon chickenhawks who love war, provided they can view it from the safety and comfort of their air-conditioned suites:
GWB Cheney Romney Newt McConnell Eric Cantor Santorum The Donald
Rudy Giuliani Dan Quayle Jon Kyl Marco Rubio Fred Thompson Denny Hastert Dick Armey Joe Scarborough Joe Barton and many others
John Moreli
6:47 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
One more reason to vote Odumba out of office!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
What a Deal!
9:24 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
10 Signs your campaign dreams are over
1) You wake up on January 1, 2012 and realize that you have done NOTHING to justify the faith the American people had in you when they elected you.
2) You threaten the Supreme Court and suddenly realize that the rest of America will not back you up. Federal judges lecture you on the relationship between the executive and judicial branch, and assign homework to make sure you get the point.
3) You realize that you are president of a country whose deficit has increased over 53% in the 3 1/2 years you have been in office.
What a Deal!
9:24 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
4) You realize that you are president of a country that, for the first time in history, has 42 MILLION living below the poverty line, and that you have done NOTHING to help that situation.
5) You realize that you are president of a country that has the largest number of home foreclosures in history, and that foreclosure rate is about to explode all over again.
6) You realize that the national unemployment rate has exceeded an OFFICIAL rate of 8.2%, and is in excess of 20% when those whose benefits have expired are counted.
7) You realize that your microphone was on when you promised the Russians that you would be "more flexible" to soviet ways after you won the election. Yes, mister president, a LOT of people heard you.
8) You realize that you are president of a country that has awakened to the fact that you are trying to exercise dictatorial powers while bypassing congress and the Supreme Court. Those 34 czars you appointed without congressional approval is starting to irritate the general public, and America is waking up to the fact that you trampled the bill of rights with a little piece of legislation titled NDAA 2012.
Tawanda The Avenger
12:39 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
This just in from CNN:
"The GOP's Problem..their voters are white, aging and dying off.."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/21/politics/gop-census-latino/index.html
What a Deal!
9:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
That MAY make you happy Tawanda! (I doubt making you happy is possible)... It seems you always like the "dark side" of things..... like republicans dying off!
Tawanda The Avenger
10:08 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@WaD, who posted:
That MAY make you happy Tawanda! (I doubt making you happy is possible)... It seems you always like the "dark side" of things..... like republicans dying off!
~~~
would you prefer "extinct " ?
What a Deal!
9:25 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
9) You realize that you are president of a country that you have helped to turn into the largest food stamp nation in the world. Mr. President, you have helped to place 1 in 7 Americans on the food stamp program, and you have made ZERO efforts to improve that situation.
10) You realize that you are the president of a country that is trying to unionize all family farms in America, and trying to regulate and control the rights of farm children to grow up learning their family's work values. Trying to institutionalize and destroy agricultural family values is at the top of the list of Marxist doctrines and will not be tolerated in America!!
11) One of your attorneys has spilled the beans about your fake birth certificate, and has entered that information into the court records in New Jersey. Google "obamas-lawyer-alexandra-hill-admits-image-of-obamas-birth-certificate-was-a-forgery"
Tawanda The Avenger
12:58 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
Conservative rightwing talk show host Heidi Harris calls struggling Americans " dead weight" :http://www.examiner.com/article/radio-host-calls-working-class-americans-dead-weight
A complete interview is available on youtube for anyone who has any doubts about what the GOP and their social engineers have in mind.
The rightwing GOP hates struggling and poor folks and there are millions upon millions of once thriving self-sufficient homeowners now dependent on assistance just to put food on their tables and they are everywhere.
The republican CONservatives call them " dead weight " and have proposed legislation to cut food stamps to those multitudes of " dead weight " all in the name of fiscal responsibility and balancing the budget. Meanwhile, these same lawmakers and their radio mouthpieces demand more and more taxpayer subsidies for the wealthy and powerful, including taxpayer subsidies for nuclear power and big oil, whose profits can best be described as obscene. Make no mistake, these CONservatives love taxpayer subsidies but only for their campaign donors.
What a Deal!
9:25 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
Sorry, thats 11.....got carried away!
John Moreli
9:30 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
What a deal I finally agree with you on something!
What a Deal!
10:43 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
We agree on more than you give me credit for. I just have a different approach.
What a Deal!
10:42 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
@ Time...US Bureau of Labor Statistics...Unemployment (No Underemployment)
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
2002 - 5.78
2003 - 5.99
2004 - 5.54
2005 - 5.08
2006 - 4.61
2007 - 4.62
2008 - 5.80
2009 - 9.28
2010 - 9.63
2011 - 8.95
2012 - 8.23 (thru April)
Tawanda The Avenger
1:07 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
Real unemployment is closer to 20%. Self employed/independent contractors are not included in Labor Dept. figures. We're nearing the unemployment levels of the great depression of 1929. Some folks are calling this the great depression of 2008+ so how did we get here and what do we do now?
First we must admit that this is indeed a depression and not an " adjustment" or recession. Then we must reflect on how we got to this place where the average American cannot even afford a roof over their heads or food on the table and this did not begin when Obama was elected, so you rightwing amnesia afflicted revisionists of historical facts who care only about power need to step aside and let the adults take charge.
Until we admit what is really going on here, we will not recover. Short list of issues:
admit our dire economic situation and how we got to this place
what we can do as Americans to turn this around
Scott
5:43 am on Monday, May 21, 2012
Unemployment was 7.8 in January of 2009 when the President was inaugurated. As of April this year it is 8.1.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
It's still not great but at least it's accurate and not hyperbole.
Ken
9:54 am on Monday, May 21, 2012
Since we're talking about unemployment, when Bush took office in Jan 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%. When he left office in Jan 2009, the rate had almost doubled and was at 7.8%
http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
Olddeegee
12:46 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
President Obama has been as successful as he could be. The entire housing industry was nearly destroyed by greed and stupid moves from both sides of Congress. All industries connected to home building and sales was decimated by the banking crisis. This was not Obama's doing. His efforts actually buffered the worst of the situation, yet the Republicans in their desire to weaken the President have striven to stifle any move he's made. The bulk of the damage happened under Bush (a fact that angers the right to a point of mocking any who mention it!) , yet it was the financial mismanagement of two wars that left us unable to deal effectively with the impending recession. The Republican party's Orwellian desire to rewrite history seems to be working with the those who's intellectual curiosity is underdeveloped, yet the facts remain.
What most people have yet to realize is that the Republican cause has a long term desire at play here. Whoever wins the 2012 Presidential race will be appointing, maybe 3 Justices. This will affect the direction for of the US for decades, much as the conservative leaning court is now doing. A liberal court is such a bogey man to the right, that any effort to defeat Obama is in the playbook.
Oh and while we're at it; Thank you President Obama for lowering the gas prices in recent weeks. Since your detractors claim that you are the person who caused the prices to go up, it stands to reason that you're the one who brought them down. Thanks!
What a Deal!
9:41 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
LOL....23.9 cents!!!!!! Will you remember that you said he is repsonsible if gas prices go up again? I am really glad they are down the 23.9 cents per gallon though. That makes all the differnece in the world compared to the gazillion (Tawanda's word) cents it went up!!!.
Tawanda The Avenger
1:15 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@Ken: when GWB .. ooops I mean President Cheney..was in office, job loss was over 500,000 a month. Then came the 20+Trillion dollar bankster bailouts and it was curtains for America. Sort of like being run over by a train and then thrown under a bus all at once.
The revisionists on the right seem to "forget" these facts. They have also claimed Obama bailed out the banksters and not GWB et al. Now thats a spinmeister hard at work, except many of us were there and our memories are sharp as the knives the GOP now wants to stick in the backs of the human casulties of the failed policies of the GOP: the working poor and those who need help just to survive.
What a Deal!
9:30 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
Tawanda you haven’t changed. First of all you ignore and refuse to answer any questions posed to you. As we all recall that’s why you left the last debate in a huff (GROAN) and refused to say anymore <Tawanda stomps her feet and slams the door> LOL.
Second of all, you accuse others of posting a gazillion posts. Looks like to me you are the one with a gazillion posts…..We do know that is intended to suppress anyone else’s thoughts and ideas. Right up your alley hypocrite (a rank one). I love that line and you use it a LOT. How many zero’s in a gazillion? Never mind, you won’t answer any questions posed to you anyway. (Continued)
Tawanda The Avenger
10:19 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@WaD:
Please tell us why we should vote for the chosen one, Wilber Romney ?
What a Deal!
9:32 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
Continued @ Tawanda..........Next, why are you such a self-absorbed, hateful, spiteful, and race baiter? IE…Tawanda says in various posts… ”except the useful idiots of the 1%”; ”sorry clueless bunch”; ” cannot accept a non-white as head of America”…FYI ALL (Tawanda is ALWAYS the first to inject RACE into ANY and ALL debates because this is all she has or knows. She has beaten her own record and injected race here in day one or two. She just can’t help herself). Besides that, isn’t Mr. Obama half-white? If anyone disagrees, call them racist or “suggest” they can’t stand seeing a non-white in office. You really are angry with the world aren’t you and you have some real issues Tawanda. SAD that this is what YOU always resort to. Nothing new here. Anyway, let’s continue. “rightwing knuckle-draggers”; ” republicons”; ” CONservatives”; ” rightwing amnesia afflicted revisionists”…you must be all fun at the party, (really? NO, not really!) It’s funny because I love to get you going and you never fail to show me what you are made of. It really is amusing. Go get those left wing site posts and keep on posting. Maybe it will make you feel better.
Tawanda The Avenger
10:22 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@WaD: oh, quit. you are breaking my heart. better yet, call a waaaambulance
What a Deal!
10:27 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
LOL at the wambulance part. I used that on you in the last debate. You heard it here first. UNoriginal T&A. Short memory too. Brilliant idiot?
Tawanda The Avenger
4:05 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
@WaD who posted:" LOL at the wambulance part. I used that on you in the last debate. You heard it here first. UNoriginal T&A. Short memory too. Brilliant idiot?
~~~~~
<snif snif> you are shattering my..my confidence and my..my very fragile sense of self worth..
Hurry, call the waaambulance !
Meanwhile, back in the land of wingnuttia, the republicons, in their mission to restore fiscal sanity and create jobs, have dispached detectives from Arizona to Hawaii to "investigate " wether Obama is a natural born citizen:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/hawaii-five-o-sheriff-joe-sends-detectives-to-honolulu/
Wonder how many additional investigators Sheriff Joe Arapio had to hire in order that he may cater to the extreme wacko wing of his party...hmmm..Maybe thats what the cons meant when they float the term " job creation " and all this time I thought they were opposed to bigger government
When it comes to creating detractions and deflections, there is simply nothing they won't t do, no matter how ridiculous and wasteful.Why not just vote in November for that Wilber the jobs killer guy and try and convince everyone else why they should, as well.
Tawanda The Avenger
9:48 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
An imploding economy, a housing meltdown, homelessness, veterans without proper medical care, working families unable to afford food for their kids, Wall Street still gambling and without regulation, corruption, massive unemployment, social unrest and I am just getting started with the problems facing America and what are the republicons response to all of this ?
To defeat Obama and stop him from implementing his policies. This has been the republicons objective from the day Obama was sworn in.
To gift the powerful and wealthy with more taxpayer subsidies and tax breaks, going so far as to hold congress hostage to get their campaign donors taxpayer money while thumbing their noses at the hungry and homeless.
To demand that foreign energy companies be allowed to drill baby drill with no regard for the impact this is having on our enviornment, especially our water supply, and to call these looters and pillagers " jobs creators "
To add insult to injury, the republicons openly refer to struggling Americans as
" dead weight..losers, bums, whiners, lazy, welfare queens " when they ask for some help. The cons are too busy representing their real constituents, the rich and powerful who plan to remain the rich and powerful on the backs of everyone else.
Please tell me why any sane person would vote republicon?
What a Deal!
10:32 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
Multiple postings fill up my email box....you can delete postings but not my email box...
What a Deal!
10:26 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@ Tawanda...answer this. why do you post everything twice?
What a Deal!
10:32 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
Maybe you can't count? Submit....submit......submit. HINT: You only have to click it once.
Tawanda The Avenger
10:46 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@WaD:
Tawanda deletes/reposts when there are spelling or grammer errors. You are free to filter me or ignore me. I promise not to call the waaaaambulance if you do.
What a Deal!
10:30 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@ Tawanda.....does your cape evr get tucked in your outside superhero underwear after you o to the bathroom? I asked you many questions first. You need to answer first.....LOL @ Superhero!
Tawanda The Avenger
10:47 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
@WaD:
Another desperate attempt my the rightwing: make lame personal attacks.
Please tell us why we should vote for Wilber Romney.
What a Deal!
11:30 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
Do you even think you can find the questions?
What a Deal!
11:30 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
Ive compared your emails. There must be something else because the posts are identical and within seconds (in the same minute) of each other...are you on Patch probation. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww. To bad. Anyway, you like using words like "desparate", "lame", etc. Talking points, BS. Gonna take your ball and run again? Never come back..... Vote for Romney because he supports capitalism. Now answer my questions. DO NOT respond to his and AVOID answering all my questions above. And no BS left wing sites....
You believe in take from the rich and give to the poor. Yeah, that's fair. A real incentive to get ahead. I make < 70K per year and am not one of the 1%, but I am one of the 99% that represents hard work and capitalism. Now you, Ms Lame one, desperate to avoid answering questions, use you rdiversionary tactics, entertain me. You are a big, fake, misguided boob. I'll bet you were the hall monitor in school too. And please, you are getting boorish so come up with something new or you won't be entertaining to all these people....LOL. You are a lame dame.....hardly worth the effort. YAWN. I think I'll go to bed.
Ken
9:58 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
@ What d Deal!
Since you brought up the issue of unemployment, do you care to address the fact that unemployment almost doubled from the time GWB took office until he left? What excuse/explanation do you have for that?
What a Deal!
11:20 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
@ Ken 9:58 am on Tuesday, May 22, 2012; You are mistaken. I did NOT BRING UP unemployemnt. I only offered web sites from the Bureau of Labor Statistics so everyone could have official government information without the demogogery (sp) that was occuring.
Ken
12:48 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
@ What a Deal,
Just to be clear, You agree that unemployment almost doubled under the GWB administration, right?
What a Deal!
4:09 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
@ Ken,
Just to be clear.............I wasn't involved in your discussion except to provide data. Why? Are you trying to suck me into something? Why do you want to know what I agree with? I was never talking to you.
Tim
6:33 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
Probably because it helps to determine if you are worth listening to in the future, based on whether or not you agree with documented historical facts, or not.
It's not a hard question.
Tawanda The Avenger
4:24 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
How dare you ask reasonable and intelligent questions.
You must be a communist or a marxist who wants to steal from the 1% and re-distribute to the " dead weight "
If Tawanda was a betting person, Tawanda would bet that you will not get a reply.
What a Deal!
4:31 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
Silly me. Got goaded into replying by Tawanda saying "If Tawanda was a betting person, Tawanda would bet that you will not get a reply.". I do know I don't understand what the heck you are saying....you know I am not a communist or a socialist. Do you know any communists that vote Republican?
Oh, shoot, diversions. You still NEVER answered ANY of my questions. If Tawanda was a betting women she knows she WON"T. She has no courage. She has never made a bet in her life.
The Avenegers was dynamite at the box office. Why is T&A (Tawanda Avenger ((Laughable)) are you such a fizzler, a dud, a flop? Oh well, you wont answer this after 5 requests for answers on this string I know better. You never answered the other debate then went away like the mope you are after literally dozens of requests. Must be attention span.
What a Deal!
4:24 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
Tawanda....looks like your 99%'ers are stabbing the police now. Sad. They must have issues. I know you are so supportive of this group and you relate so well to them that you are encouraging this behavior. Better call a real ambulance.
What a Deal!
8:22 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
Real nice group Tawanda. Glad you and the Prez support their cause....funded by George Soros of course.
What a Deal!
4:34 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
@ Tawanda who posted at 4:05 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
Looks like you are off on another tirade you angry, hateful, race baiting, cynical women. Go take your meds.
What a Deal!
5:28 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
Should correct...woman, not women.
What a Deal!
6:54 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
@ Tim who said, "Probably because it helps to determine if you are worth listening to in the future........................". You just sealed the deal. I don't care whether you think "I'm worth listening to or not".
If I join in on your string you can decide then or you can ignore me. As far as I'm concerned, you just demonstrated you would not be worth debating because you probably like to deal in "got ya's". You've probably already made up your mind and I owe you no answers.
Tim
7:37 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
I'm not the one who initially asked you the question. So no, you don't owe me any answers.
Accusing the person who did ask you a rather straightforward question of trying to 'pull' you into a discussion that you already have freely joined into, is a little illogical though.
Misusing the term demagoguery, isn't helping your point. There are no prejudices involved with you posting historical employment data, and you then being asked what the trend of it was during a certain time frame. Asking you a question is not demagoguery, by definition. On a base level, It is asking you if you are able to correctly recognize the historical facts in the world around you.
Lets remove any names, and just use very impersonal dates and figures.
What was the comparative change, and its direction, in the unemployment rate from 01/2001 to 01/2009?
No names mentioned, nothing but a question of measurement and vector of a comparison between two numbers over a specified time frame.
What a Deal!
8:56 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
It's right there in the chart. Please draw your own conclusions. I did not enter the conversation so you are wrong again.
Re. Demagog is to use impassioed rhetoric in nationalistic or populist discussion, which was what the others were doing. I supplied a chart to show the facts, freeing the "impassioned rhetoric" and pointing them toward the facts. It was totally appropriate usae of the word as there discussion was getting heated and going nowhere. Facts were given and, and as I said, I did not enter the conversation. Please stop stalking others that are attempting NOT to have a conversation with you.
Tawanda The Avenger
10:24 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
@WaD, who posted <snipped>
Please stop stalking others that are attempting NOT to have a conversation with you.
~~~
wow. this definitely qualifies for the most bizarre reply to a legitimate question I have yet to see on any Patch blog.
why not just admit what everyone else here knows, and that is you cannot answer the question so you create a diversion in that you are somehow the victim of stalking ? that is just plain nuts but so typical of the rightwing apologists
Tim
11:12 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
What kind of personality comes on a discussion board and then gets mad at those trying to have a discussion, and ask questions, about a post that he himself made?
I'm not sure whether to feel pity, or amusement, for that mindset.
Tawanda The Avenger
11:25 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
@Tim who posted <snipped>What kind of personality comes on a discussion board and then gets mad at those trying to have a discussion, and ask questions, about a post that he himself made
~~~
A person who is clearly attempting to dominate and control the direction and flow of the discussion with their profound ignorance and narrow world views.
Tawanda The Avenger
10:53 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
Under the Cheney/Bush administration, jobs were disappearing at a rate of 500,000 a month toward the end of his reign. Lost jobs means no money in which to stimulate the economy which lead to even more job losses. This in turn has affected nearly every segment of our economy. Many of these lost jobs will never return and the over 50 boomers have been particularly hard hit. Recently congressional hearings and testimony told the story of the formerly employed over 50 unable to find work and the rampant age discrimination occuring. Ask any out of work boomer how many resumes they fire off and how many calls for interviews are received from employers:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/age-discrimination-unemployment_n_1518591.html
The over 50 unemployed have lost their homes, medical insurance, savings and in many cases, their hope. Many rely on food stamps just to survive while they continue on their odyssey of trying to find gainful employment in an economy which doesn't seem to want older workers.
The republicon view of society is that of a perpetual struggle which they believe exists in nature in which the old and weak are cast aside in favor of the young and strong and if you cannot make it on your own resources or wits, too bad. You are disqualified and disenfranchised. You are what conservative Heidi Harris referred to as " dead weight " and you are given a symbolic Viking funeral.
Except if you are wealthy and powerful. Then you are given corporate welfare.
Tawanda The Avenger
11:07 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
(cont) Corporate welfare. Survival of the financially fittest. The idea that if taxpayers reward the very wealthy, they will in turn re-reward by creating jobs.
So where are the jobs ? Now the receipients of corporate welfare and special tax subsidies insist that the real problem is that there are too many regulations keeping them from creating jobs and if there were no regulations, they could create jobs.
No regulations ? Like the no regulations which has permitted 40+billion to essentially "disappear" into thin air in the last few weeks ? Next arguement from the jobs creators/extortionists ? " if the sun set in the east rather in the west, we could create jobs.."
The republicon answer to all this is to focus their energies on hurting the most vulnerable members of our society. Our society. Did you catch that word ? We are not a for-profit entity where you are either "dead weight" or a consumer. We are a society of people, not liabilities as Romney sees the over 50 unemployed.
Tawanda The Avenger
12:40 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Dear Sir Or Madam What A Deal!
It appears to me that you have taken a shellacking. You will in time get over it and return to your favorite pasttime of posting drivel and gross inaccuracies.
What a Deal!
5:50 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
T&A....if that is a shellacking you are a pretty weak state of mind. STILL avoiding answering any questions posed to you? Thats diversion. You went away for good the last time Tawanda. Is trhat what you'll do again Missy? Hey, hows your business going anyway?
What a Deal!
6:20 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Is there really someting, anything to get over? You are a real laugh a minute. I love messing with you Tawanda. You are really clueless! Pasttime.....sp.....drivel....love that word. Are you a super blogger.....?
What a Deal!
7:09 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Hey Tawanda, where were you yesterday? Did you have to get someone at the Huffington Post to get you info and type the words into a presentable fashion for you? I see you are still double posting too. Pathetic.
What a Deal!
6:15 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012
@ Tim who posted on
11:12 pm on Tuesday, May 22, 2012
It doesn't matter what kind of a personality comes to the board. Plenty of lurkers here. In fact after Tawanda ran off and cried a few weeks back a couple of her friends watching, joined in after 200 posts. And about getting mad. No, I am not mad at Ken, Just couldn't understand after multiple requests why he kept at it. I politely (not madly) asked him to leave me out of the conversation. But he continued to harrass.
Tell me, what kind of a person continues to harrass after being asked multiple times not to? I only kept responding to him to be courteous. Oh, and I did NOT make any posts. You are incorrect again. I added a chart similar to a post that you made with a chart. In fact it was the same chart.
I am not amused at the posts you and Tawanda make. They are hateful, name calling, and condescending. Typical liberal personality. Hey, ask T&A to answer the questions too. You and Ken were ask me and she gets a free ride. Double standard. I'm SURE you've seen the requests. She got a real free ride a couple weeks back on a 200+ post string. Never answered a single question from multiple people. She posts hateful rhetoric but never answers. Are you amused or feel pity toward Tawanda? No, I didn't think so. It's different I'm sure. Give her a shellacking!! She knows what a real sheallacking is. She got hit with 10 barrells a few weeks back. It was pathetic.
Olddeegee
9:14 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
No name calling? "Typical Liberal Personality"? Who are you referring to specifically? People with liberal beliefs are not the enemy, they are Americans who disagree with your opinion. I'm liberal leaning and some of my good friends are Tea Party members. This basic hatred is a tool of divisiveness used by the monied interests in DC. Failure to attempt to understand the basis for your opponents ideas before attacking him is not correct. Attack ideas, not the people. Your method of communication may open some eyes to something that they haven't considered before. For instance, a Tea Party friend of mine was going on about the President once. I corrected one point, and grudgingly agreed on another, then both of us brought up the fact of how most of the problems come from unbridled lobbyists and their money weakening true democracy. We parted while still friends. We can agree to disagree while finding common ground, it's the true American way.
Tawanda The Avenger
9:54 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
@Olddeegee who posted <snipped> For instance, a Tea Party friend of mine was going on about the President once. I corrected one point, and grudgingly agreed on another, then both of us brought up the fact of how most of the problems come from unbridled lobbyists and their money weakening true democracy. We parted while still friends. We can agree to disagree while finding common ground, it's the true American way.
~~~
many of us consider ourselves the origional tea party in that we saw the money influence buying and corrupting our democracy but because we would not walk lockstep with the tea party hijackers on the right, we we labelled " communists..marxists..socialists.."
Meanwhile, in case you missed this news story hot off the press:
GOP group calls for armed revolution if Obama is re-elected:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/greene-county-virginia-gop-obama-revolution_n_1501510.html
To call for the overthrow of a duly elected government is treasonous and anti-American. None of this surprises me, as the violent hateful rhetoric has been flowing like lava from the right wingnuts since Obaba was sworn in.
Guess all those patriots will be busy in the upcoming months dusting off their single shot rifles and polishing their codpieces....
What a Deal!
8:25 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
Unresponsible Tawanda the Transgender....I mean Avenger. Did you see the disclaimer at the bottom you big dope?
disclaimer at the bottom of the publication attempts to account for this type of rhetoric, noting that the contributors do "not reflect the opinion of the Republican Party whole or in part" and are only representative of the "individual" -- in this case, the editor himself.
That means all your fear-mongering and your total article are based on the writings of ONE man. Oh, better hide the guns.
Be RESPONSIBLE.
What a Deal!
1:10 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
@ olddeegee...yes, as long as the debate is civil and respectful. Many are not and any civility that did exist, then disappears on both sides. Many times now and in the past I have been attacked, many of the attacks resort to worse than condescending. It happens on both sides and I think we know who some of the worst offenders are and who usually throws the first grenade. You keep it civil and so will I. You want to use unsavory rhetoric, terms like cons, etc., then that person deserves the same. Some people will stoop to the others level and I usually find certain people fun to agitate after they get it going. Can't always help with certain people. Some of the sites quoted are also hateful and I don't place much confidence in some websites that are determined to destroy the other side at any cost. They spew vitriol, they bend things out of context, and would like to make one small person or one small group representative of the whole (other) side. Some people also hold double standards. Gotta go, I am at work, but think you would agree with most of this wouldn't you?
Olddeegee
1:40 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Simply because somebody "spews vitriol", it's no excuse to lower yourself to that level. Stick to facts, point out opinions as such, and maybe, just maybe, we can come to some agreement here. As a student of history it's becoming painfully obvious to me that our country hasn't been this divided since the late 1850s. Obama's not dividing us. It's the think-tanks and Frank Luntz's of the world who specialize in talking points and catchy misnomers. Again, this is my considered opinion. As a voter since 1974, I've seen, and learned much.
What a Deal!
1:13 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
IE...second post from this string came in this fashion...."that's why they're the useful idiots and the name is so appropriate"....civil? Idiot may be common, but unsavory in the context of this forum but it is soooooooo common. Thats all it takes sometimes.
What a Deal!
2:09 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
@olddeegee.............I only do with a certain person.....need a hint. It appears I am older than you and have seen much as well. I can agree that this country is more divided than I have EVER seen. Even thru 60's civil unrest and the Viet Nam war. There are a LOT of reasons we are divided. We can probably agree on some but not all. Some things bad, are good, some things good are bad. I am at work and will leave it at that. I think you should talk to some your people on your side of the aisle though as well, and ask them to cool the rhetoric as well. Otherwise, it would appear you are not sincere in your expression and are only targeting those whose ideology does not agree with yours. That is hypocritical.
What a Deal!
8:20 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
Looks like the Oldee is quiet....does not want to confront his colleagues he shares ideology with. Only scolds others with his refined articulation (is that a word?), education, and legendary superiority? Just like T&A. Don't answer. Ignore and change the subject to something else. I thought you were reasonable, but, this time I was wrong! No excuses please. Done.
Tawanda The Avenger
9:38 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
@What a Deal! who posted <snip>
2:09 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
@olddeegee.............I only do with a certain person.....need a hint.
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I thought you CONservatives were big on personal responsibility. The truth is that you lash out because you have no convincing arguement or logical talking points.
You have been confronted with educated, intelligent and articulate posters here and you cannot stand it. It is you who becomes irrational and doesn't own up.
Whatever *message* you are trying to get across becomes lost in this wall of noise you create as a detraction/distraction. Did you learn that in politics 101: how to handle opposing views ?
You have my permission to ignore my posts but you choose not to and become quite irratrional. All I know is that if someone caused me to wig out, I would avoid them and their message, so don't blame me for your behavior or response to your personal trigger issues.
Look how you scolded another poster for " stalking you " ? You didn't own up to that either.
What a Deal!
8:11 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
You really are clueless aren't you? Scolded? LOL @ that. Waiting for answers. I see you and Olddeegee both go quiet and avoid answers and then go off and make comments about how brilliant and articulate and calm you all are. Thle only degree you have is 98.6......and i think its really hotter n the head. It's obvious you are off your meds.....You are laughable and wrong. You've overdosed on the Kool-Aid. Because you are sincerely cluless is why you are laughable. You aren't worth the time because you, like the President, recycle old stuff, nothiong new, no ideas, nothing original. Quite a joke. When you think they are laughinmg with you, thing again....OldDeeGee likes to lecture. He is a teacher, a student of history, He's a history teacher. When he's asked about applying the rules evenly he disappears. And he knows it. He was asked questions but never answered them either. Neither o f you have answers. Only a misplaced superiority complex and silence on direct questions. Sounds like some of the teachers I had.
What a Deal!
9:24 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
And then I read it again. And i see you are not only cluless, you are naive.....when i said I only do that with a certain person, yes, that person is you. But I don't get wigged out. I am actually giving you pushes and nudges and a hard timne because you fly off so easily and go on your rants posting from the HP and other far left web sites. I think it's funny and you are sooooooooooooo predictable. I know exactly what buttons to push with you. And now when I read it again and you think YOU are causing ME to "wig out", be "irrational"...I am really rolling on the floor laughing my butt off at you! Geez. You really don't get it! You have the hair trigger and I have never, and never would blame you for personal trigger issues. I don't have any....OMG, am I turning red. This is funny. The more I write and think about this I have to go because I am really cracking a gut on this.......you bring a new meaning to naive! Good night and good bye!!! It has been sooooo much fun screwing with the clueless!!!!!!!!!!!LMFAO.....
What a Deal!
8:16 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
What a Deal, who loves his country says..."Thanks to the Veterans of the United Staes of America. We have so much to thank you for.".
Tawanda the Avenger says...Tawanda The Avenger
12:34 pm on Monday, May 21, 2012
"another weapon in the rightwing knuckle-draggers arsenal: when all else fails, rally around the flag and invoke the memories of all those who fought and died for our freedom, as though the republicons own patriotism and nationalism."
Does she thank you for your freedom or use it as a crutch to defend her positions?
Tawanda The Avenger
11:59 am on Saturday, May 26, 2012
GOP wants more money for wars but less to help veterans:
http://newsflavor.com/politics/world-politics/gop-proposes-cuts-to-veterans-but-not-dod/
Ryan budget cuts 11 Billion from veterans :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/gop-budget-doesnt-even-sa_b_1370899.html
GOP Budget Cuts May Hit Homeless Vets Hard:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/01/budget-cuts-may-hit-homeless-veterans/
This summarizes the chickrenhawks and their concern for those who have served.
Tawanda The Avenger
11:41 am on Saturday, May 26, 2012
@WaD: I suspect there is a lot more going on with you than your rigid uncompromising beliefs and complete lack of tolerance for the opinions of others.
You are big on projection and not owning up. There are strong indicators of paranoia, as well. You simply must be correct all of the time about everything and you must have the last word.
This is not about reaching any common ground and moving on from there, as Olddeegee suggested but rather, it's about demonizing anyone who doesn't agree with your world views and mocking them.
You are a hostile person and part of the problem, not the solution.
What a Deal!
3:14 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
@ Tawanda..........you must have felt like you were looking directly in a mirror at yourself when you wrote that didn't you? I do not know how you can say that with a straight face! Is that the last word or are you gonna keep it going? I see you ignored all my recent posts and wuestions to. Hard to find a "common ground" when you REFUSE to answer any questions. It is always a one way exchange on the answer end! You are always silent. Hard to mount an argument to defend radical ideals. Oh, and don't put yourself on the same platform as OldDeeGee, Tim, or Ken...When it comes to calm, logic, articulate commentary. You are not even in the minor league compared t them. WShen you come, they leave.
What a Deal!
3:17 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
@ Tawanda..........you must have felt like you were looking directly in a mirror at yourself when you wrote that didn't you? I do not know how you can say that with a straight face! Is that the last word or are you gonna keep it going? I see you ignored all my recent posts and questions to. Hard to find a "common ground" when you REFUSE to answer any questions. It is always a one way exchange! Hardly an exchange of ideas or opinions. You are always silent on any questions. Hard to mount an argument to defend radical ideals. Oh, and don't put yourself on the same platform or level as OldDeeGee, Tim, or Ken...When it comes to calm, logic, articulate commentary. You are not in the same league....not even in the minor league compared to them. When you come to the conversation, they leave. Paranoia? Now you have a degree in psych? 98.6 is your only degree.
Tawanda The Avenger
11:49 am on Saturday, May 26, 2012
news flash ### He Said What ???
Romney says spending cuts will lead to a recession/depression:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/25/romney-spending-cuts-depression-tea-party_n_1545933.html
wonder if the tea party will still support his run for presidency...hmmmmm
Tawanda The Avenger
4:10 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
@WaD who posted on this snippette on Friday May 25th @ 9:24pm: <snipped>
Good night and good bye!!! It has been sooooo much fun screwing with the clueless!!!!!!!!!!!LMFAO.....
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you are not interested in much of anything except seeking out people on political blogs to demonize and mock and why ?
because you are not interested in solving the problems facing America and why ?
because you are lazy, ignorant and inadequate and you are here only for a distraction and cheap thrill and to " screw with the clueless " as you so eloquently put it.
you are not the least interested in a dialogue or finding real solutions but rather you are here for your pathetic narcissistic need for attention and entertainment and that is all.
thank you for outing yourself; that wasn't so hard, was it ?
.. has been sooooo much fun screwing with the clueless!!!!!!!!!!!LMFAO....."
What a Deal!
5:44 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
at least you answer YOUR own questions! I'm sur eyou have solved the problems of the world!! Winning!
What a Deal!
5:40 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
Thanks Tawanda...and don't forget to take your meds. Looks like that one really drove you over the edge! Take your hurt feelings and leave and this will be the last word!!! You are pathetic and pitiful.....get a life...
What a Deal!
5:42 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
Oh, and you are also as unoriginal as it gets......you do re-cycle, at least in your writing. Just can't help myself......ROFLMFAO at Tawanda the Transgender!
Susan Milewski
12:06 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
Final Score:
What a Deal! 0 thumbs down
Tawanda The Avenger 10 thumbs up
Lars
2:33 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
@ Susan.......you got it backwatds. Funny how two people can arrive at completely opposite observations. At least What A Deal answers her questions and admits he was screwing with her. All Tawanda does is avoids answering ANY questions and posts from all the far left (unbiased?) ;-) websites on anything, pertinent or not, that she finds. She really brings no substance to the argument. For that she gets thumbs down and the Conservative wins on technical merit. WAD 10 / Tawanda - ZERO
Lars
2:35 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
The one question I really hoped she had an answer for was the social security questions.
What a Deal!
6:44 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
@ Lars...Susan IS Tawanda the Avenger. She did the EXACT same thing a few weeks back on a 200 post string.....waits until Tawanda sign off and then comes in to defend her. Who knows where the heck she is though when the bullets are flying. No where to be seen. As Tawanda repeats herself in comments, so does Susan. Almost the exact same statements a few weeks back. T&A has multiple persaonalities, just more proof she is off her meds.....she has multiple screen names....pretty soon there will be a few more name callers joining in against me....oh well. It is Tawanda is trying desparately to get in the last word.....she should realize as a new person comes that is all it takes to keep me going. And I may have said I am "screwing" with T&A as you did, but really, all I am doing is pressing her buttons. They are easy to find and easy to press....
Susan Milewski
4:24 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
I believe you are Tawanda The Avenger and this a clever game you are engaged in to what end I am unsure.
What a Deal!
6:49 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
Lets have a little Tawanda here.....
Legal experts say that the RFRA, a 1993 law championed by then-Rep. Charles Schumer and the late Sen. Ted Kennedy to protect religious exercise (Native Americans using peyote) from laws that might unintentionally restrict it, is the strongest legal challenge to the birth-control mandate yet.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/real-news-from-the-blaze-catholic-groups-sue-obama-administration/
Contraception, an issue created out of thin air. An issue that not only wasn’t an issue, but nobody and I mean nobody was talking about it… until 1/7/2012. That’s when George Stephanopoulos asked this question, “Governor Romney, do you believe that states have the right to ban contraception? Or is that trumped by a constitutional right to privacy?“ WTF? Where did that come from? Now we know.
http://nobamazone.com/
Continued below.....
What a Deal!
6:50 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
The New Party was the creation of the quasi-Marxist Democratic Socialists of America
(DSA) and the radical community organization ACORN. The Communist Party splinter group Committees of Correspondence (CoC) was also involved.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/obamacrimescom/
Michelle Obama Monitors Barack in Jealous Rages,
http://news.newsmax.com/images/42363/trans.gif
If Romney’s record in private equity is fair game, then so is Obama’s record in public equity — and that record is not pretty. Raser Technologies. In 2010, the Obama administration gave Raser a $33 million taxpayer-funded grant to build a power plant in Beaver Creek, Utah. According to the Wall Street Journal, after burning through our tax dollars, the company filed for bankruptcy protection in 2012. The plant now has fewer than 10 employees, and Raser owes $1.5 million in back taxes.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2012/05/25/forget-bain-%e2%80%94-obama%e2%80%99s-public-equity-record-is-the-real-scandal/
It's all there so IT MUST BE TRUE right Tawanda? Just because it doesn't come from the Huffington Post.....there are more!! LMFAO @ Tawanda.
What a Deal!
9:58 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012
@ Susan (AKA. Tawanda the Avenger) who said:
"I believe you are Tawanda The Avenger and this a clever game you are engaged in to what end I am unsure".
That is such a stolid statement I am short of words and this could be the last word!!! LMAO at you. Let's come up with something that, at least, makes a little bit of sense! You really are stretching aren't you.....I'm not sure either, what end that would achieve...and to call it clever, well, I guess amusement comes easily to the feeble minded.